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Contents 1 Archived Move discussions 2 Move Discussions 2.1 Jason Todd (Earth-3) to Owlman II (Earth-3) 2.2 Jennie-Lynn Hayden (New Earth) to Jennifer-Lynn Hayden (New Earth) 2.3 Ending Battle to Superman: The Ending Battle 2.4 Buck Bonner (New Earth) to Bernard Bonner (New Earth) 2.5 Central Power Battery to Green Lantern Central Power Battery 2.6 René Jacques Brande (Pre-Zero Hour) to Ren Daggle (Pre-Zero Hour) 2.7 Cyrus Gold (New Earth)/Gallery to Solomon Grundy/Gallery 2.8 Impulse (Everyman Project) to Impulse (New Earth) 2.9 Ted Grant (New Earth) to Theodore Grant (New Earth) 2.10 Richard Starr (Earth-One) to Richard Starr (New Earth) 2.11 Zero Girl Vol 2‎ to Zero Girl: Full Circle Vol 1 2.12 Adam Strange's Jet Pack to Rannian Jet Pack 2.13 Wendy and Marvin 2.14 Sergeant Steel (New Earth) 2.15 Super Young Team (New Earth) 2.16 Batman: A Death in the Family 2.17 Adolf "Crazy Stache" Hitler 2.18 The Red Circle Vol 1 2.19 Ultra-Humanite

Archived Move discussions

Previous topics can be found in the Move discussions archives.

Move Discussions

Jason Todd (Earth-3) to Owlman II (Earth-3)

According to the notes, this is all based on the personal conclusions of an editor rather than anything explicitly revealed in the comics. The Paradox 01:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Unless somebody object to this one soon, I'm gonna prep it for Move. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Jennie-Lynn Hayden (New Earth) to Jennifer-Lynn Hayden (New Earth)

Ending Battle to Superman: The Ending Battle

Buck Bonner (New Earth) to Bernard Bonner (New Earth)

Central Power Battery to Green Lantern Central Power Battery

It occurs to me that with the other Lantern Corps assembling, each will have its own Central Power Battery, three of which have also appeared. Therefore, this article would have to be moved and Central Power Battery be turned into a disambig. Where should we move this to? Green Lantern Central Power Battery? Oan Central Power Battery? -- SFH 05:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Are they all called Central Power Batteries? The Paradox 04:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The current articles are named as such, including Qwardian Central Power Battery and Star Sapphire Central Power Battery. -- SFH 06:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't go by the article name. What do the comics call them? 'Cause those are our source material, and whatever they are called in those is what we should be using. The Paradox 06:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

True. -- SFH 06:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe the GLC battery is canonically referred to as the Central Power Battery of Oa. --Brian Kurtz 08:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Update: The Sinestros battery on Warworld was called a "Central Power Battery" by the Guardians in Green Lantern Vol 4 25 as they discuss the end of the war. At the very least, that's two, which might justify a page move. -- SFH 02:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I tend to agree. Let's give it a couple more days, since people don't seem to monitor this page much. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

If the Green Lantern's Central Power Battery is known officially as the Central Power Battery of Oa then why don't we just keep that certain title only on the templete were it is currently shown I think at least twice on the templete but for the title of the actual article page why don't we call that Green Lantern Central Power Battery? But what ever title is desided to be the final title the page at least should not be called Central Power Battery since there is a total of 8 Lantern Corps and they all have central power battery. But I do agree with SFH he makes a good point in suggesting turning the page into a disambig page that would make more sense for the title that is currenly shown.

Rod12

Okay, I'm ready to start writting articles on the Red and Blue Central Power Batteries pretty soon. Can we agree on a name and move it, so that I can have some precedence for naming convention and so forth? -- SFH 22:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Guys? Do we have an agreed upon name yet? Green Lantern Central Power Battery or Central Power Battery of Oa? -- SFH 19:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

René Jacques Brande (Pre-Zero Hour) to Ren Daggle (Pre-Zero Hour)

I have to disagree with moving this page. While he may have been born a Daggle, he changed his identity years before founding the Legion and was legally known as Brande. The Paradox 19:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

There are several pros. It would help solidify his ties to his son, Reep Daggle (Pre-Zero Hour). Also, it would distinguish his character origins more solidly from René Jacques Brande (Post-Zero Hour), who was an actual human, and was actually born with that name. I see where you're coming from. It irks me everytime I have to type Edward Nashton instead of Edward Nigma, but I think in this case there's enough reason to. He's also now gone back to his Durlan form, albeit in death.

Plus, I really hate having to copy-paste people's names to get the pronounciation correctly when I'm making appearances. And I find it best to just try and avoid that whenever possible.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Still waiting for more comments... The Paradox 04:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Closed - no move. The Paradox 07:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I have to say, this one still bothers me. Could we get an outside opinion on this? Besides conventions, and the connection to his son, if only because it's a perfectly good way to not have to visit his article every single damn time he appears, just so you can copy-paste that stupid accent. If a third person looks at this and agrees that he should not be moved, then I'll drop it and accept it. I'd just like to have an actual decision on this, rather than a choice made through our lack of one.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I seems as if your main reason for moving it is editorial convenience, not accuracy of source material. Plain and simple, he changed his name. If the naming conventions are to use "real" names, no matter how dubious their application (Aztar comes to mind), then we should follow conventions. We don't call Gerald Ford "Leslie Lynch King, Jr.," we don't call Bill Clinton "William Jefferson Blythe III" and we shouldn't call R.J. Brande "Ren Daggle." If I changed my name I shouldn't have to put up with people calling me by the old one simply because it's more convenient for them. Oh, wait, that's exactly what happened. The Paradox 18:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Although editorial convenience is my favorite reason, I have stated several others. On all relating pages, he will still be referred to as "R.J. Brande". As to the analogies, no, we don't call him William Blythe. However, if he called himself Bill Clinton, despite his children and the rest of his family calling themselves Blythe, and he also had an alternate universe counterpart who had in fact been born Bill Clinton because unlike our Bill Clinton, this one was not a shape-shifting alien, it would conceivably be justifiable to name his comic reference page that akin to every other page on the site, noting him as Bill Clinton everywhere else he appears. My reasoning stands.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Cyrus Gold (New Earth)/Gallery to Solomon Grundy/Gallery

One of the messy consequences of the ever-changing naming conventions is the chaos it's brought to character galleries. Cyrus Gold (New Earth)/Gallery is a good case in point - of the 8 images, only three are from New Earth. Three different TV realities are also depicted. Lets just have the pagename reflect the reality of the gallery. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Impulse (Everyman Project) to Impulse (New Earth)

I personally hate this one, but it is the Naming Conventions. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

He's a single appearance character. Can we just delete him, and add a footnote to the Impulse disambig?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Ted Grant (New Earth) to Theodore Grant (New Earth)

Somebody else tagged this without opening a discussion. I would like to know when his full name was revealed - I think changing it based on an assumption of his true name isn't good enough, given he has nearly 80 years of being Ted. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I tagged it for moving because it's already written on the character page. I suppose in theory he could be Edward Grant or Edwin Grant (wikipedia:Ted). Or maybe a nickname is on his birth certificate. Whatever. Who originally marked him as Theodore? Were they just speculating?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I dunno. I think someone was just taking a guess. I've been very conscious about good ole Ted Grant's name, and I'm always keeping an eye out for confirmation on Theodore or Edward. So far, I haven't found anything. --Brian Kurtz 18:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Damn. The DC Encyclopedia also lists him as Ted. Stupid lousy secret identities.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

So, Ted it is? If so, does anyone else think we could then use him as a example of a Quality Assessment character entry?

Roygbiv666 17:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Richard Starr (Earth-One) to Richard Starr (New Earth)

Another article tagged without a corresponding discussion. I'd like to see the article updated to include reference to his New Earth existence before this one is moved. The Paradox 17:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

He has a Who's Who confirmation, a Starman appearance and a handful of appearances in Trinity... that I know of.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Zero Girl Vol 2‎ to Zero Girl: Full Circle Vol 1

The individual issues are listed as Full Circle, the cover says Full Circle, without checking GCBD or comics.org I'd be willing to guess that this is published as Zero Girl: Full Circle. There's no reason I can think of why it shouldn't be named such here. The Paradox 01:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Go for it. That was made in another time.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Adam Strange's Jet Pack to Rannian Jet Pack

Perhaps this should be moved so as to not be so restrictive. Alanna Strange, Champ Hazard and other Rannians have also used these. --Brian Kurtz 16:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Seconded.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Good Lord, you responded fast! You're like the freakin' Barry Allen of keystrokes! --Brian Kurtz 16:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Wendy and Marvin

Teen Titans Vol 3 66 reveals that Wendy and Marvin are the children of the Calculator. Reason would assume that the would share his surname, Kuttler. However, we might want to wait until the story develops further, to see if they actually do share his last name. If nothing comes of it (which wouldn't surprise me considering the current quality of that title), then I say we move 'em anyway because single name characters suck.

Suggested move:

• Wendy (New Earth) to Wendy Kuttler (New Earth)
• Marvin (New Earth) to Marvin Kuttler (New Earth)

--Brian Kurtz 19:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe that that the Wendy/Calculator plot is actually going to be adressed during Oracle's Battle for the Cowl mini, but I would also agree on waiting to see if they're his legitimate kids first and thus legally share his last name. -- SFH 19:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Is anybody picking up the Calculator Faces spotlight this week in BoP? That might be helpful. Yeah, though, reasonable assumption.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

So, recent Teen Titans Annual says... Wendy White?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sergeant Steel (New Earth)

Provided someone can provide a citation as to his real name (Sargent Steel), then let's do it. Roygbiv666 23:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Super Young Team (New Earth)

I disagree that this article needs to be moved. The tag cites the Naming Conventions page. Let's have a look at what I presume is the expected relevant section:

Character Entries. Character entries should be listed by the real name and earth-designation of the character if possible.

(We don't appear to have any particular section on Teams).

Looks to me like the Universe should be included. I see no persuasive reason that one rule should apply for individual characters and another for Teams (or locations for that matter). There was a JLA on Earth-One and a JLA on Earth-0/New Earth. Maybe we should be discussing the Naming Conventions before requesting moves.

Of course, it is possible to have one article with multiple sections, one for each reality, but one could argue the opposite as above. Is there a shortage of server space I don't know about? Thoughts?

Roygbiv666 02:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The move template automatically cites our hopelessly outdated naming conventions, not the suggestion itself. Teams, just like locations, races and items, provide general information on a broader, more conceptual subject than an individual character tied logically to their own birth reality. In special circumstances where information is specifically different between realities, such as in the case of the Justice League of America (only arguably valid anyway, and probably still unnecessary), it is justifiable. However, spray-painting a reality designation on every single article in some misguided attempt to be overly specific is not helpful, it is unnecessary, confusing to readers, and generates more work every time you want to reference a group that only appears in mainstream continuity anyway. It's the same reason that we have articles like Blüdhaven and not Blüdhaven (New Earth), or Green Arrow's Chili and not Green Arrow's Chili (New Earth). If it becomes apparent that we need to divide up the Super Young Team into multiple articles, because some writer coincidentally decides to start two other new teams using the exact same name but with no actual connection or relation (sarcastically hypothetical), then I will support the change. Until then, there are several reasons why this unnecessary reality bukkake spraying realities everywhere where they don't need to be is inconvenient, but I fail to see any actual benefits. I can only assume that the reason we have this system implemented at all anywhere is just leftover paranoia from 52 Week 52. Otherwise, while we're at it, wouldn't it be more "accurate" to divide, say, the Humans article into Humans (Earth-Two), Humans (Earth-One), Humans (Earth-5), etc.? It's a slightly blurry line, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least attempt to draw it somewhere.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I realize it's part of a template, I have been here for a while, Billy. I don't see how adding 10 characters ("(New Earth)") to an entry is a big deal. Although it's exceedingly unlikely that there would be other versions of this team, as a general principle, it's not that outre. Two perspectives spring to mind:

1. wikipedia:Joseph Bazalgette designed the London combined sewer system in the late 1800s. When planning the network he took the most dense population, gave every person the most generous allowance of sewage production and came up with a diameter of pipe needed. He then said 'Well, we're only going to do this once and there's always the unforeseen.' and doubled the diameter to be used. (Doubling the diameter increases the capacity by four times.) Every Londoner should be grateful for this foresight as the unforeseen was the tower block. If he had used his original, smaller pipe diameter the sewer would have overflowed in the 1960s. As it is they are still in use to this day.
2. The Marvel Universe obviously has many more than 52 alternative realities, so this next bit is perhaps tenuous. However, the MDP has about twice as many articles as this one. They have already gone through most of the challenges that we have and come up with some solutions (the inane "Comics" namespace aside). I would choose to learn from their experiences and have Universes for Teams.

Teams (and items, and locations) could readily get ridiculous with Universe designations, however based on the foregoing, I think it might not be a bad idea to start now in anticipation of multiple entries in the future.

Roygbiv666 00:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Batman: A Death in the Family

So you guys want to move Batman: A Death in the Family (Collections) Vol 1 1 to Batman: A Death in the Family, but there's a bunch of content in both pages. Shouldn't that just be a merge?

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 04:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a merge. Ignore that.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Adolf "Crazy Stache" Hitler

I don't know where I got the "Adolph" spelling from, but from every resource I've found, both real-world and DC Comics, Hitler's first name is spelled "Adolf", not Adolph. So...ummm, yeah. We should probably move this booger. --Brian Kurtz 14:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the move - Billy, maybe you can unleash RoBotman on it? And, to be fair, Hitler was the best ... at being evil. That's something.

20:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I will get on this as soon as I figure out how to make this robot not rebel and destroy all humans.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, no, no - just implement the new untested technology and we'll worry about it later. It was good enough for the internal combustion engine, and nothing ever ... oh, wait.

22:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The Red Circle Vol 1

Yeah, I wasn't sure about "The" at the front, but have seen it on other titles. Should it be moved?

01:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

We tend to use it only where it's absolutely necessary. It makes templating a lot easier, as well as search functions. In this case, it's not really essential to the title.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ultra-Humanite

Spoiler Warning: Plot or ending details follow. Please skip this section if you do not want foreknowledge of this plot.

Well, it looks like they retooled this guy's origin. As per Power Girl Vol 2 2 he now has the real name of Gerard Shugel. His timeline has been compressed so that he became the UH in the modern era, not the 1940s. And it appears as if he has only ever used the white monkey body, though this is just speculation. I don't mind tackling the changes; just wanted to give everybody a head's up. --Brian Kurtz 13:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the UH was originally a Golden Age Superman villain, right? So, by rights we either need some Pre/Post Crisis explanation thing, or a UH (Earth-Two) entry. I'd prefer copying the current UH data into a Ultra-Humanite (Earth-Two) entry, deleting any Post Crisis material, then moving the current entry to Gerard Shugel (New Earth) with all the Earth-Two data deleted. Discuss.

13:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking of something along those same lines. --Brian Kurtz 15:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Not necessary, When he was a member of the Time Stealers. Booster Gold still remembered his other forms. Together with Per Degaton and Despero. When they fought in an altered Timeline because Ted Kord didn't die, but Ted got back into time to die again , resetting the time. everbody in the altered timeline was pulled to the current one, somewhere. Not reading the Power girl comic but my guise is that this Ultra-Humanite is the someone his crimes have yet come to pass (or worse his time travelling experience has him changed in a chakter of its --Ouroborosi 17:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Wait, is this some damn time-travel thing where from UH's perspective his first body is the gorilla, and he later takes Delores Winters in the past, but in his "future"? Time travel sucks. Wasn't this alluded to in Justice League of America Vol 2 8?

00:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I haven't read that issue mind you, but looking as the Booster Gold Vol 2 hadn't been puplished yet, it could be more then likely

With Delores Winters probably erased from time (the two mysterious people are probably Per Degaton and Despero). Well it explains now why The Ultra Humanite wants power girl as a host its orginal is probbaly dead and an other time --Ouroborosi 20:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)