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Dru-Zod (DC Extended Universe) to Zod (DC Extended Universe)

He is never named "Dru-Zod" in any media, only "Zod". —MakeShift (talk · contribs) 10:49, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose: The character is an adaptation of Dru-Zod. In the comics, "Zod" is the surname (so that's what he is usually called). So unless that is officially debunked as his full name in the DCEU, I don't see any reason to move it. DarkKnight2149 17:38, August 25, 2017 (UTC)
  • I can't say I see this as a reason to keep it as is, as that's a "guilty unless proven innocent" sort of approach. —MakeShift (talk · contribs) 04:13, November 23, 2017 (UTC)


Alexander Luthor (DC Extended Universe) to Alexander Luthor, Jr. (DC Extended Universe)

See the talk page. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:21, March 30, 2016 (UTC)


Titano (Earth-One) to Toto (Earth-One)

The Super-Ape was originally a non-super chimp named Toto. Naming conventions suggest a move. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 17:39, October 16, 2016 (UTC)


Thing From 40,000 A.D. (Earth-One) to Thing (Earth-One)

Never called "Thing From 40,000 A.D." in-universe. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 15:59, December 22, 2016 (UTC)


Every (Injustice: Gods Among Us) character page to Injustice: Earth One and Every (Injustice: The Regime) page to Injustice

See talk page. --- Haroldrocks talk 02:57, May 19, 2017 (UTC)


The Albino (Wildstorm Universe) to Albino (Wildstorm Universe)

We don't start character page name with "The". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 19:57, July 30, 2017 (UTC)


Frank Chandler (Earth 2) to Charles Chandler (Earth 2)

Earth 2 Chas was introduced before Prime Earth Chas. Earth 2 Chas is only ever referred to as "Chas", however Prime Earth Chas, who is supposed to be a perfect doppelganger of his Earth 2 counterpart, is named Charles. I think that retoactively makes Earth 2 Chas' real name Charles, but, if that's too much of a leap, I'll accept Chas Chandler (Earth 2) instead. He just shouldn't be Frank. --- Haroldrocks talk 19:08, August 26, 2017 (UTC)

Where did we get the name Frank from? Just curious... Shadzane 💀 (talk) 01:27, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
Frank has traditionally been his name from the original Vertigo Hellblazer run from what I understand. It wasn't too much of a leap to think it carried over in the New 52 until The Hellblazer Rebirth threw us for a loop. --- Haroldrocks talk 02:06, August 27, 2017 (UTC)


Weather Man (Earth-S) to Weatherman (Earth-S)

This character is called "Weatherman" in-story and "Weather Man" in the story title. The in-story name wins. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 23:52, August 26, 2017 (UTC)


Weather Man to Weatherman

Three of the four characters on the page are "Weatherman". That should be the name of the page. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 23:54, August 26, 2017 (UTC)


Johnny Cloud II (New Earth) to John Cloud II (New Earth)

Technically, there is no Johnny Cloud #1. His grandfather, who he's presumably named after, was named Flying Cloud, Johnny was a nickname. However, there's another guy, a relative of Johnny II, named John Cloud who was introduced like 10 years before him. So now we have a Wally West Prime Earth situation where two cousins are named after the same grandfather. With a move, we'd have Flying "Johnny" Cloud, John Cloud, and this guy - John "Johnny" Cloud, which, IMO, is good enough. --- Haroldrocks talk 20:57, September 26, 2017 (UTC)


John Curry (Prime Earth) back to Danny Ruby (Prime Earth)

Sigh. The 5-issue-long reveal that his real name was John Curry was a red herring. John Curry is somebody else entirely, Debbie got the evidence wrong. Don't move this yet. The mystery's supposed to conclude next issue, and I don't want us to have to move the page again in a month if they decide to throw us for a loop again. I'll bump this when the issue comes out. --- Haroldrocks talk 03:24, September 30, 2017 (UTC)

Bumping. Yup, John Curry is a totally separate person. Danny Ruby's stuff needs to be moved to Danny Ruby (Prime Earth) and a separate page for John Curry has to be made in its place. --- Haroldrocks talk 18:06, October 28, 2017 (UTC)


Lucas Trent (Futures End) to Midnighter (Futures End)

"Lucas Trent" was never his real name. --FabioEscorpiao (talk) 02:35, October 15, 2017 (UTC)


S.H.A.Z.A.M. and S.H.A.Z.A.M. (Flashpoint Paradox) to Captain Thunder (Flashpoint Timeline) and Captain Thunder (Flashpoint Paradox)

To those confused, this is actually a mistake. The combined form of the SHAZAM kids is actually called Captain Thunder. I own both a physical copy of both Flashpoint Vol 2 1 and of Flashpoint Paradox the movie. To those who do not believe me, here is a link to a clip on Youtube of Wonder Woman vs Captain Thunder, and an explanation of Captain Thunder on comicvine. —ClassicFan92 (talk · contribs)ClassicFan92 (talk) 22:44, November 7, 2017 (UTC)


Savitar (Arrow) to Savitar (Arrow: 2024)

He does not come from 2024, but from either 2020 or 2021, so the page should not be moved. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ninja72 (talk • contribs).


Or at least, not to that. --Tupka217 17:42, November 12, 2017 (UTC)
There are so many possible futures / alternate timelines between The Flash and Legends, I'm not too concerned with moving Savitar. I think the idea behind naming it 2024 is because that's the year in the future Barry goes to look for help. So, even though Savitar was created in 2020 or 2021, he's from a timeline that Barry visited in 2024 and is being used as a catch-all term for characters from that timeline, not the year specifically.
While I'm interested in making pages for that alternate timeline / possible future characters from The Flash (2014 TV Series) Episode: The Once and Future Flash (because right now, they're just notes on the episode page which IMO is kinda lame), regardless, if we move Savitar, he should have the same designation as those characters. --- Haroldrocks talk 18:58, November 12, 2017 (UTC)
Since 2024 is the only year from that alternate future that has been shown in the series, we need to have all characters from that future under the Arrow: 2024 designation. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 09:37, November 13, 2017 (UTC)

Counterpoint: He doesnt actually come from this timeline. He comes from a timeline, which was erased, when his future self from a few seconds later travelled to his time, turning him into a time remnant. (Ninja72 (talk) 16:04, February 3, 2018 (UTC))


Christopher Kent to Lor-Zod

The Prime Earth version is unlikely to ever go by "Chris Kent." The birth name is the common denominator between all versions. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 23:38, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. Unless we have some significant changes, Lor-Zod seems a far better optionGZilla311 (talk) 00:17, November 20, 2017 (UTC)

Late, but what about a split? There are Chrisses who aren't Lors and vice versa.--Tupka217 21:31, August 6, 2018 (UTC)


Otto Muller (Earth-One) to Otto Müller (Earth-One)

In the comics, his last name is written consistently as "Müller", not "Muller". If, for some technical reason, we can't have a ü in a pagename, then the pagename should be changed to Otto Mueller (Earth-One), because when you can't use a ü, you are supposed to replace it with ue (not u) Shadzane 💀 (talk) 01:19, November 29, 2017 (UTC)


Von Karnstein (New Earth) to Von Karnstein (Earth-One)

See above. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:05, December 4, 2017 (UTC)

I think the page has been deleted, making this moot Shadzane 💀 (talk) 17:00, December 12, 2018 (UTC)


Von Krizt (New Earth) to Von Krizt (Earth-One)

1964 = Earth-One. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:21, December 16, 2017 (UTC)


Thinker II (Earth-Two) to Thinker III (Earth-Two)

Batman fought a different Thinker in Detective Comics #125. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 21:20, March 2, 2018 (UTC)


Starfire, Supergirl Enemy (Earth-One) to Starfire (Earth-One)

See talk page. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 23:55, March 24, 2018 (UTC)


Ystina (Prime Earth) to Ystin (Prime Earth)

I can find no evidence that the Demon Knights version of Shining Knight was ever named or called "Ystina", and given that their gender is ambiguous, I see no reason to assume that their real name is anything but Ystin. -- Gnostic (talk) 05:11, April 18, 2018 (UTC)


Joshua Christian (Prime Earth) to Fan (Prime Earth)

It was established in Justice League (Volume 3) #41 that the Fan stole the identity of his childhood friend, Joshua Christian. The Fan's real name remains unknown and, with the series wrapped up, will probably stay that way. -- SadCryingClown (talk) 13:35, April 18, 2018 (UTC)

Has the real Joshua Christian ever showed up in the comics? -- Gnostic (talk) 07:05, April 20, 2018 (UTC)
Yes, in Justice League (Volume 3) #37 and Justice League (Volume 3) #41. -- SadCryingClown (talk) 08:14, April 25, 2018 (UTC)


Quietus to Quietus (Species)

Now that there is a major villain called Quietus in The Silencer Vol 1, Quietus will need to be made into a disambiguation page. I'm not sure whether Quietus (Species) would be the correct name for the Black Canary villains (are they a species?), but it's the best I could come up with. Samohyeah (talk) 23:49, April 25, 2018 (UTC)


Darkstars to Darkstars (New Earth)

Since their introduction in Prime Earth there is a need for a disambig page as there is now multiple versions, therefore Darkstars needs to be changed to Darkstars (New Earth) so the disambig can be called Darkstars. O21014 (talk) 13:54, May 17, 2018 (UTC)


Warren Thurston (Earth-One) to Warren Thurston (Earth-Two)

We're using Adventure Comics #246 as the Earth-Two/Earth-One cutoff for Green Arrow. So, this guy's on the Earth-Two side. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 03:35, June 25, 2018 (UTC)


Sylvester Borgman (Prime Earth) to Sy Borgman (Prime Earth)

I can't find any evidence his name is actually Sylvester. --HarleyWelcomeQuinn (talk) 10:55, July 11, 2018 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia, "Sy" is much more likely to be short for Seymour than Sylvester. Not that I think the page should be changed to Seymour Borgman (Prime Earth); I'm just wondering where Sylvester came from... Shadzane 💀 (talk) 14:30, July 11, 2018 (UTC)


Sylvester Borgman (Old Lady Harley) to Sy Borgman (Old Lady Harley)

See above. --HarleyWelcomeQuinn (talk) 10:55, July 11, 2018 (UTC)


Tally Man I (The Tyrant) to Tally Man (The Tyrant)

There's only one Tally Man in this Elseworlds reality. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 22:18, July 11, 2018 (UTC)


Cairo to Cairo, Egypt

To make room for the Cairo graphic novel (https://www.comics.org/issue/386530/) Shadzane 💀 (talk) 23:24, July 11, 2018 (UTC)


Jason (Prime Earth) to Jason II (Prime Earth)

See talk page. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 08:13, July 16, 2018 (UTC)


Rebecca Paige (Prime Earth) to Rebecca Barrow (Prime Earth)

Maiden name. --HarleyWelcomeQuinn (talk) 09:23, July 18, 2018 (UTC)


Sindella Zatara (New Earth) to Sindella (New Earth)

1) "Sindella" is her maiden name, and thus the earlier name, which is what we like.

2) There isn't any evidence that she changed her name to "Sindella Zatara" when she got married anyway. The page is written as if she stayed just "Sindella", and that's what I remember too from the comics. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 14:43, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

Name (Arrow) to Name (Arrow: Earth-1)

I.e. Oliver Queen (Arrow) to Oliver Queen (Arrow: Earth-1), etc.

Currently, although the page titles contain (Arrow), the infoboxes and categories contain Arrow (TV Series), which describes the show rather than the reality. Changing it to Arrow: Earth-1 allows the show and the reality to be distinguished, as well as making it consistent with Arrow: Earth-2, Arrow: Earth-3 etc. --HarleyWelcomeQuinn (talk) 08:58, July 23, 2018 (UTC)

No. The same goes for every adaptation with a multiverse, like Smallville, the DCAU, and The Brave and the Bold. The main continuity gets the short title.
It's way too much work for no payoff to move them. As many of these are also linked on other websites, making them link to redirects hurts SEO. --Tupka217 12:03, July 23, 2018 (UTC)
What about keeping the page titles but changing the categories? --HarleyWelcomeQuinn (talk) 12:48, July 23, 2018 (UTC)
I don't see the point. Is it causing any technical issue? --Tupka217 12:54, July 23, 2018 (UTC)
Currently Earth-1 characters don't have a unique category. They're put in Category:Arrow (TV Series) Characters by both the infobox and Template:Arrow, while characters from other universes are put into the appropriate reality category AND also get the template putting them into Category:Arrow (TV Series) Characters. E.g. Oliver Queen (Arrow: Earth-2) is in Category:Arrow: Earth-2 Characters and Category:Arrow (TV Series) Characters, while Oliver Queen (Arrow) is only in Category:Arrow (TV Series) Characters. Changing the infobox from "Universe: Arrow (TV Series)" to "Universe: Arrow (Earth-1)" would make it consistent and allow Earth-1 characters to be distinguished from the rest. --HarleyWelcomeQuinn (talk) 13:17, July 23, 2018 (UTC)
I don't see that as much of an issue. All characters with a short name are from the main continuity, the longer ones are the exception. --Tupka217 13:37, July 23, 2018 (UTC)
Like Tupka says, it'd be too much work. Not to mention, it wouldn't just be an easy matter of "Arrow: Earth-1". We have characters like Sara Diggle (Arrow) and John Diggle, Jr. (Arrow), who are exclusive to the pre-Flashpoint respective post-Flashpoint continuity. Then there's Lily Stein (Arrow), who was created thanks to her father interacting with his younger self. So, we'd have to factor in things like that. We might then end up with "Arrow: Earth-1 Pre-Flashpoint" and "Arrow: Earth-1 Post-Flashpoint" categories. Which, in turn, could mean that we'd have to do a massive amount of re-working, every time someone alters the timeline.KylieMfever (talk) 13:51, July 23, 2018 (UTC)


Reiser (Prime Earth) to Doomed (Prime Earth)

Reiser is his forename, not an alias. His surname is unknown. -- Something0Something (talk) 13:51, July 25, 2018 (UTC)

I'd be tempted to let this one stay as is. I know some people hate first-name-only pagenames, but at least this is a fairly unique first name. (Slightly off topic, how did this guy have his own series but never get a last name?) Shadzane 💀 (talk) 19:20, July 25, 2018 (UTC)
I second leaving it as it is along with the one below. As for him not getting a last name, it's possible that it is Sorentino. That's his aunt's surname, but we're never told if she ever married, if she is his maternal or paternal aunt, or if they even share any blood! Plus, out of all of his appearances (which I own, along with Roman's), they never once mention his surname, or if he even goes by Doomed. We hear Doomsday once or twice, but I've seen that he is editorially known as "Doomed." -- Bobbie goodman (talk) 22:44, July 25, 2018 (UTC)
Wow. Yeah, if no one in the stories ever actually called the character "Doomed", then we definitely shouldn't change the pagename to Doomed. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 23:15, July 25, 2018 (UTC)
Yep. And after thoroughly checking his appearances again, he's referred to as Doomsday by the general public (including himself), Doomsday Jr. by Tim Drake, and Reiser by assorted Titans (mainly Cassie). Bobbie goodman (talk) 23:32, July 25, 2018 (UTC)


Phantom Stranger (Prime Earth) to Judas Iscariot (Prime Earth)

He is Judas from Christian mythology, and as such should be moved to his real name. —O21014 (talk · contribs) 13:03, July 29, 2018 (BST)

I don't really agree with this one if for no other reason than SEO. Kyletheobald (talk) 16:50, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
Yup. SEO. --Tupka217 16:56, July 29, 2018 (UTC)


Ki'Yep A'Ken (Prime Earth) to Kiyep A'Ken (Prime Earth)

I goofed, and accidentally typing "Kiyep" as "Ki'yep" once led me to create the page under that name. Total mistake, he is named as "Kiyep" in his only appearance. Man Wolf (talk) 08:08, August 5, 2018 (UTC)


Category:Justice League: War (Movie) to Category:DC Animated Movie Universe

That's the name used on Wikipedia, but if we don't want that I'd accept almost anything other than the current name, which is awful. Category:Justice League: War (Movie) Characters contains characters who do not actually appear in the movie. Images with "Justice League: War (Movie)" as their reality automatically get categorized in Category:Justice League: War (Movie)/Images, which is supposed to be for movie screenshots. The reality and the movie need to be distinguished from one another.

If we go with this change, pages with "(War)" in their title should probably be changed to "(DCAMU)". --HarleyWelcomeQuinn (talk) 06:28, August 6, 2018 (UTC)

I'm just glad to hear this continuity has a name. But I wish the Wikipedia page gave more information about where the name came from, and how widespread its use is. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 20:40, August 6, 2018 (UTC)
Agreed on the lack of a source. And if (iff) we're doing this, written out in full please.--Tupka217
A quick Google shows the term "DC Animated Movie Universe" is already being used on www.alltimelines.com, thetimelinesite.com, tvtropes.org, comicvine.gamespot.com, www.reddit.com and even its own wiki (dcanimatedmovieuniverse.wikia.com)! Shadzane 💀 (talk) 15:15, August 7, 2018 (UTC)
Just like this wiki, anyone can edit those. --Tupka217 15:33, August 7, 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but it does show the term is established fanon, and not made up by one guy on Wikipedia. It's in use by maybe five guys ;) Shadzane 💀 (talk) 22:29, August 7, 2018 (UTC)
And if we rule out a name just because it isn't official and use the title of the first installment for the reality, then maybe all the DC Extended Universe characters should be moved back to Man of Steel? And DC Animated Original Movie is a brand Warner Bros. used on Wonder Woman (2009 Movie), though that movie is a separate continuity from War. But Justice League War and related movies are part of the DC Animated Original Movie brand. Sure, there may be a lot of movies in that brand that aren't canon like Superman: Doomsday and Crisis on Two Earths, but the brand is still there. SeanWheeler (talk) 03:44, December 26, 2018 (UTC)

Clement Carp (Earth-One) to Clement Carp (New Earth)

He appears in 52 #25. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 14:08, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

Are Clement Carp and Lawrence Loman the same? --Tupka217 14:13, August 8, 2018 (UTC)
According to the first note on Clement Carp (Earth-One) they are. Shadzane 💀 (talk)


Feitheran to Feitherans

The race has always been referred to as the "Feitherans". Plural. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 23:54, August 9, 2018 (UTC)


Outsiders (Prime Earth) to Outsiders (Weapon Clans)

In order to split the Lemire/Sorrentino creation from the Prime Earth version of the team originally created by Mike W. Barr and Jim Aparo. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 20:46, August 22, 2018 (UTC)


John Wayne (Preacher) to Marion Robert Morrison (Preacher)

I didn’t research and thought John Wayne was his actual name. Crazylatin77 (talk) 16:09, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

If you look at the archives, you will see at least one discussion about real people and their birth names. (Search for "Cleopatra") The gist is, for real people only, we don't care so much about the pagename reflecting their earliest legal name. For real people, we are totally OK with their pagename being the same as their page name on Wikipedia. So this move is not necessary. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 19:18, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
Also, noone knows who Marion Morrison is. SEO won't matter much as this isn't something anyone will search for, but I'm going to cite SEO reasons anyway. I also suggest moving Marion Robert Morrison (New Earth). --Tupka217 19:36, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
Does the same apply to Norma Jean Baker (Watchmen)? Crazylatin77 (talk) 20:23, August 29, 2018 (UTC)


Andy Warhol (Watchmen) to Andrew Warhola (Watchmen)

I goofed and didn’t notice the red link had his artistic name instead of his real name. Crazylatin77 (talk) 16:09, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

Move not necessary, IMHO. See above. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 19:19, August 29, 2018 (UTC)
Agree. --Tupka217 19:36, August 29, 2018 (UTC)


Marion Robert Morrison (New Earth) to John Wayne (New Earth)

As suggested by Tupka217 above, "no one knows who Marion Morrison is. SEO won’t matter much as this isn’t something anyone will search for" Crazylatin77 (talk) 20:36, August 29, 2018 (UTC)


Mad Harriet (Smallville) to Harriet (Smallville)

The character is only identified by the name "Harriet". With this version being a human girl, it's unlikely that "Mad Harriet" is her name.KylieMfever (talk) 18:01, September 1, 2018 (UTC)


Hocus and Pocus to Hocus and Pocus (Earth-Two)

There is also Hocus and Pocus (Earth-508). Hocus and Pocus should be a disambiguation page. Hocus and Pocus (Earth-508) only appear once however. -- Something0Something (talk) 14:56, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

When we create pages for teams, we don't give them a Earth designation initially (unlike characters), because we are willing to accept some variations in teams. So if the Earth-508 Hocus and Pocus are roughly the same deal as the Earth-Two Hocus and Pocus (two amateur magicians (and a rabbit) who come to believe (erroneously) that they have real magic powers), one page should be fine. The move you want should only be done if the Earth-508 Hocus and Pocus are in some way different enough to warrant their own page. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 15:19, September 7, 2018 (UTC)
There are common ideas, but they aren't really the same. They can't use real magic and are aware of it. One day, Felix Faust (Earth-508) hides a magical item in Hocus' hat which gives it magical powers. That only brings them trouble but they never believe they suddenly developed magical powers. When Felix comes back to get back his magical item, Hocus and Pocus use it to defeat Felix. After that, they aren't really interested in fake magic any longer and want to become detectives instead. Is that different enough or are the ties t the original one still too strong ? -- Something0Something (talk) 17:37, September 7, 2018 (UTC)
In this case, the team is pretty much a single character. --Tupka217 16:05, September 7, 2018 (UTC)


Creator² (Earth-One) to Creator² (Earth-Two)

Creator² and his alien cohorts seem to be based in and native to the Earth-Two universe. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:39, September 11, 2018 (UTC)


Power Girl's Cat (New Earth) to Stinky (New Earth)

In Power Girl (Volume 2) #12, Power Girl considers several names for her cat before settling on "Stinky". She literally says "Stinky it is" in page 12. MektonZ (talk) 09:12, September 19, 2018 (UTC)

  • Agree. He clearly has a name. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 03:51, November 12, 2018 (UTC)


Linda Danvers (Earth-One) to Kara Zor-El Clone (Earth-One)

Linda Danvers isn't a distinct identity, but one she temporarily took from the real Kara Zor-El. To avoid confusion, she should be moved to "Kara Zor-El Clone".KylieMfever (talk) 17:48, September 19, 2018 (UTC)

Disagree We shouldn't use "Clone" in the name as tho it's part of her name. I recommend Kara Zor-El II (New Earth) or somesuch (which already exists--if necessary, move it to III). —Justin (koavf)·T·C 05:07, December 1, 2018 (UTC)


Challengers (Prime Earth) to Challengers of the Unknown (Prime Earth)

Aside from a re-imagined team appearing early on in the New 52 in three issues in DC Universe Presents Vol 1, the team has been presented as the classic Challs, name and all. We should move the page to that. Kyletheobald (talk) 17:24, September 20, 2018 (UTC)


Azrael (Superboy TV Series) to Death (Superboy TV Series)

If "Death" is her real name, that's what the page should be called. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 22:30, September 24, 2018 (UTC)


Curtis Bohannon (Flash 1990 TV Series) to Curtis Bohannon, Jr. (Flash 1990 TV Series)

This is his full name. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 22:40, September 24, 2018 (UTC)


Shade, the Changing Man (Shorts) to Shade the Changing Man (Shorts)

While there was a comma in the redlink from the DC Nation page I used to make the page, the comma is not presence in the show or it's name. Man Wolf (talk) 20:28, September 29, 2018 (UTC)


Purple Piledriver (Earth-One) to Purple Pile-Driver (Earth-One)

As far as I can tell, he only appeared in Action Comics #464 and Superman #371. In both issues, he is consistently referred to as the "Purple Pile-Driver". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 14:28, October 7, 2018 (UTC)


Nora Allen (Arrow) to Nora West-Allen (Arrow)

Full name is confirmed in the Season 5 premiere. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 00:03, October 10, 2018 (UTC)


Orm (Prime Earth) to Orm Marius (Prime Earth)

Since his introduction in the New 52 Orm has been called by Orm Marius several times, such as in Mera: Queen of Atlantis Vol 1 2. His name should be changed to reflect this. O21014 (talk) 17:25, October 13, 2018 (UTC)


Super Best Friends Forever (TV Series) to Super Best Friends Forever (Shorts)

I mean, they really are shorts. Crazylatin77 (talk) 02:09, October 21, 2018 (UTC)


Bill Church Sr. (Lois & Clark) to Bill Church, Sr. (Lois & Clark)

Proper formatting. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 12:52, October 21, 2018 (UTC)


Bill Church Jr. (Lois & Clark) to Bill Church, Jr. (Lois & Clark)

See above. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 12:52, October 21, 2018 (UTC)


Mister Wylie (Earth-Two) to Painter of Death (Earth-Two)

Better not to name characters "Mister" if their first name is unknown. Kyletheobald (talk) 16:15, October 21, 2018 (UTC)


Palmer (Smallville) to Jessica Palmer (Smallville)

When I created articles for several of her co-workers (identified by Bryan Q. Miller as Morrow, Ivo, Strange and Magnus. All said to be significant DC characters), I added conjectural first names for the men. However, with Palmer (and Strange), I refrained from adding a conjectural first name, as my first thought was that she was a gender-reversed Ray Palmer (and gender-reversed means I can't use the male name). However, since then I've remembered Jessica Palmer (Earth-15) (a blond woman with the last name "Palmer"). With the Palmer in the season 11 comic being a blond woman, it's entirely possible (if not probable) that she might be Jessica Palmer.KylieMfever (talk) 09:00, October 24, 2018 (UTC)

Jessica Palmer was not a gender-reversed Ray Palmer. Earth-15, not Earth-11. Honestly, this article can just be a footnote on the comic page. --Tupka217 09:30, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
I'm not saying that Jessica Palmer's a gender-reversed Ray Palmer. Just tried to give some backstory to why I didn't put a first name on the article, when I created it (don't think I even knew Jessica existed at that time). What I'm saying is that there is a strong possibility that this Palmer woman is an adaptation of Jessica Palmer.KylieMfever (talk) 09:34, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
No. There's conjecture and then there's just plain guesswork. I mean, why Jessica and not Avril? --Tupka217 09:52, October 24, 2018 (UTC)
Well, Jessica's blond, while Avril a brunette. So, some of it comes down to physical appearance (i.e. hair color).KylieMfever (talk) 10:20, October 24, 2018 (UTC)


Time Bureau (Arrow) to Federal Time Bureau (Arrow)

According to a wanted poster in "The Virgin Gary", the organization's full name is the Federal Time Bureau.KylieMfever (talk) 18:45, October 25, 2018 (UTC)


Steve Lombard (Smallville) to Steven Lombard (Smallville)

Minor typo.KylieMfever (talk) 08:47, October 31, 2018 (UTC)


Superman: The Man of Steel (Collected) to Superman: The Man of Steel (1987) (Collected)

As it was discussed in [this thread], the existence of another self-named collection make this name problematic. MektonZ (talk) 11:27, November 1, 2018 (UTC)


The Man of Steel (Collected) to Superman: The Man of Steel (2018) (Collected)

See above. MektonZ (talk) 11:27, November 1, 2018 (UTC)


The Man of Steel to Superman: The Man of Steel (1986)

In order to difference it from the 2018 story arc. See discussion. MektonZ (talk) 11:27, November 1, 2018 (UTC)


Supergirl: Age of Atlantis to Supergirl: Age of Atlantis (Novel)

It should be moved according naming conventions. MektonZ (talk) 11:27, November 1, 2018 (UTC)


Suicide Squad (Prime Earth) to Task Force X (Prime Earth)

Task Force X should really be titled with its formal name instead of the team's nickname Suicide Squad. Also the fact that different versions of Task Force X such as Task Force XL now exist provides further reason to move. O21014 (talk) 16:01, November 7, 2018 (UTC)


Bryan Hill to Bryan Edward Hill

He is credited everywhere under his full name. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 20:05, November 9, 2018 (UTC)


Famous Bobby (New Earth) to Roberta Harper (New Earth)

Guardians of Metropolis #4 page 23. Kyletheobald (talk) 19:19, November 11, 2018 (UTC)


Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) to Oliver Jonas Queen (New Earth)

Standard conventions. Also, we are inconsistent about middle names. Why is this? —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:19, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Most pages don't use the middle name in the page title. I'm not sure why any of them do unless they're commonly called by both names, John Henry for example. Also this page was moved for SEO purposes. I think a larger discussion would be needed before moving this. Kyletheobald (talk) 18:27, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
What are those SEO purposes and are there any metrics to validate them? —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:29, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
Certain, high-profile pages were moved to make them show up higher in Google results and lead more traffic to those pages and the site. Tupka would be the one to ask for a fuller explanation. Kyletheobald (talk) 18:38, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
Tukpka217, is there any evidence that this is useful? —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:43, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
Because it has both the name and the alias in the title, we'd cast a wider net in terms of search terms. It's be a shame if people were to look for Superman or Clark Kent and our page on him be buried because it's stuck at Kal-El. This was thought of before Prime Earth, and whether to swap pages is a debate we've been putting off all the time. Even if we switch, Oliver Jonas is a fuck no. --Tupka217 18:52, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
You removed my questions: Are there are any data showing any benefit to these rule-breakings? Also, why is "Oliver Jonas" a "no" but John Henry Irons and Jon Michael Carter are not? This is not an obvious question to me. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 22:11, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
John Henry Irons is allowed because "John Henry" is functionally his first name. He introduces himself as John Henry, and people call him John Henry when they first meet him before eventually shortening it to John.
And do you mean Michael Jon Carter? That's a little more obscure and it could probably be shortened to Michael Carter with no problem, but I think it is because whenever he gives his real name (which isn't that often) he always says "Michael Jon Carter". Of course, no one ever calls him "Michael Jon" or "Michael" or even "Jon", everyone calls him "Booster". Shadzane 💀 (talk) 23:49, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
I do mean that, thanks. Goofy error. But yes, that's a great example--I've never seen anyone reference him as "Michael Jon", even his sister. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 01:41, November 13, 2018 (UTC)
We also use middle names in page titles sometimes for disambiguation purposes. However, I don't think that applies here. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 20:10, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
I want to get rid of the SEO titling system very badly because New Earth has been retired for years so all we're doing is boosting outdated pages. But if we finally get rid of it, Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) will have to be moved to Oliver Queen (New Earth) because every Green Arrow page uses the Oliver Queen title even when his middle name was revealed and we only use middle names in titles when they are an important part of their identity. SeanWheeler (talk) 03:06, December 26, 2018 (UTC)
I’m hoping that eventually my suggestion to move the SEO stuff to Prime Earth (located here) gets agreed on but for now it should be Green Arrow (Oliver Queen), and even then it should be Oliver Queen (New Earth).Schroeswald (talk) 02:22, January 6, 2019 (UTC)

Rann-Thanagar War Vol 1 to Rann–Thanagar War Vol 1

Misuse of hyphen. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:22, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

This should be listed in the category Volumes That Need to be Moved as our current bots can't handle moving comic volumes. Kyletheobald (talk) 18:27, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
Why do bots do any moving? Can't admins just press Ctrl+Shift+M and move a page? —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:30, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
Moving a page is easy. Changing everywhere that page links across the site (refs on other pages, first appearances, volume pages, images, etc.) is harder. Changing that many links times however many issues is a massive project. It took an admin over a month to fully move The Flash Vol 1. That's why bots are used. Kyletheobald (talk) 18:38, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
This is a problem easily solved with Auto-Wiki Browser. Just move the main page, find What Links Here and then set it to fix the links. For a volume that has three or six issues, fixing the individual comics themselves is easy to do manually. All of the volumes of Blue Beetle or Superboy would be a pain, tho. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:42, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
I'll add that this is a pointless move. The use of - is an acceptable variant online just like ' is for its curly brother. There's no need to move this, but if we do, it's a much larger project that's just not a priority right now. Or, as far as I'm concerned, ever. Removing JLA-Z discussion below as it would just duplicate stuff.
Moving isn't hard, but updating links is. And while Billy did manually move that entire volume, I also ran the bot behind the scenes. There's no good quick script to do all of it; Dev's MassRename script is broken. That's why volumes go in a different category. One-shots can still be listed here.--Tupka217 18:52, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
As I pointed out above and you deleted for some reason, this could be done easily with AWB. It's not hard for a series with three issues or six. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 22:11, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
Indeed it could. But it would be very cumbersome for, for example, The additions. As soon as a page is linked on multiple pages, you'll get The The [X], and you have to add in additional Find and Replace lines to Replace The The [X] back to The [X]. And you have to that for both the links using Vol, and the {{c}} links using #. And avoid changing the every instance of the character's name in the text. And make sure you include the Title field in the infobox, and the issue and source fields in the filebox (but not the subject). You're still looking at more than five Find and Replace lines, which is actually a lot of work for a series of three or so issues. Honestly, it's easier to just open an Incognito window, log in as the bot and edit it manually from that account. --Tupka217 15:19, November 13, 2018 (UTC)
I have no clue what your example is supposed to show. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 03:51, November 20, 2018 (UTC)
That it's not as simple as you think? --Tupka217 15:52, November 20, 2018 (UTC)
But it is. You can change every instance from "What Links Here" with a semi-automated tool. The Flash (Volume 1) has 246 issues and annuals spread out over decades and is cross-references hundreds of times. Not so with this six-issue mini-series from a few years ago. I could easily do all the replacements in an afternoon. Plus, you can leave behind redirects so it is literally a no-stakes proposition. What I don't understand is all the iterative The The examples you gave above... You just do a replacement for "X-Y" to "X–Y". There is literally no risk of ending up with "Rann-Thanagar–Rann–Thanagar War" or whatever it is you are afraid will happen. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 05:05, December 1, 2018 (UTC)


Ultramarine Corps to Ultramarine Corps (New Earth)

Not sure why this needs to be posted since it seems uncontroversial but it's lacking a universe designation. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:19, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Is there a need to disambiguate? Low priority. Blank to () require a bit more attention than regular moves to prevent Authority-style muckups. --Tupka217 18:52, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
Not sure what this means but I thought that the standard here was to have a paranthetical that says "[Name] (Universe)". So that is not the case? —Justin (koavf)·T·C 22:11, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
That's the standard for individuals, but not for groups. (I don't know why, it goes back to before I started here). Shadzane 💀 (talk) 23:38, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
It also goes back to before I started here, and if it ain't needed, don't fix it. --Tupka217 15:19, November 13, 2018 (UTC)


Aztek II (Rock of Ages) to Azteka (Rock of Ages)

She doesn't use the former name and does use the latter. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:27, November 12, 2018 (UTC)


Hyperclan to Hyperclan (New Earth)

Uncontroversial. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:31, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Is there a need to disambiguate? --Tupka217 18:52, November 12, 2018 (UTC)


Actor pages

Misuse of hyphen. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:32, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
Low priority --Tupka217 18:52, November 12, 2018 (UTC)


Team 7: Fight Fire With Fire to Team 7: Fight Fire with Fire

caps. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:33, November 12, 2018 (UTC)


The Terrifics to The Terrifics (Prime Earth)

Uncontroversial. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:36, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Is there a need to disambiguate? --Tupka217 18:52, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
I thought that the standard here was to have a paranthetical that says "[Name] (Universe)". So that is not the case? —Justin (koavf)·T·C 22:11, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
That's the standard for individuals, but not for groups. (I don't know why, it goes back to before I started here). Shadzane 💀 (talk) 23:37, November 12, 2018 (UTC)
I'm in favor of this one to have a disambig page including at least the volume and team. Kyletheobald (talk) 07:38, November 13, 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure if that would be good for - wait for it - SEO. Disambigs for two things, especially if it's a character and the title of said character, just creates a short page with nothing for the spiders to pick up.--Tupka217 15:19, November 13, 2018 (UTC)


Id (New Earth) to The Id (New Earth)

Dab from Id in JLA #52, etc. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 03:54, November 17, 2018 (UTC)


Franklin Foster (Earth-One) to Frank Foster (Earth-One)

He's never referred to as "Franklin", only "Frank". —Something0Something·14:56, November 18, 2018 (UTC)


Characters by religion (pluralize)

Justin (koavf)·T·C 05:54, November 22, 2018 (UTC)
They're not singular, they're adjectives. I think that was the plan, if we standardize it, I think we should move the plural nouns to adjectives as well. --Tupka217 14:56, November 22, 2018 (UTC)
Why would we do that? E.g. Category:Characters_by_Nationality is in the form Category:Afghans, not Category:Afghan. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 20:52, November 23, 2018 (UTC)
Fine by me. --Tupka217 14:09, December 5, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure I'm on board - primarily for the following reason:
The move bot can't move categories. Categories can't be renamed. You have to change the manually added category on the character page to make the change. So, the challenge is then to find a way to use Tupka's AWB bot to run a replace on them instead, delete the old category, and make a new one. Adding categories to the Move category may or may not (I'm currently diagnosing the issue I'm encountering) cause the python code for the Move script to break.

That said, I'm going to remove these tags, and add this conversation to their talk pages in the mean time. - Hatebunny (talk) 01:25, January 2, 2019 (UTC)


Telos to Arak (Prime Earth)

See Talk:Telos. Kyletheobald (talk) 18:41, November 26, 2018 (UTC)


Orlin (Arrow) to Orlin Dwyer (Arrow)

Full name revealed in "O Come, All Ye Thankful". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 01:33, November 28, 2018 (UTC)


James Harper Clone (New Earth) to James Harper II (New Earth)

His surname isn't "Clone". —Justin (koavf)·T·C 05:00, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

I'm open to discussion on this but there are lots of clone characters with page names formatted this way or similarly. Kyletheobald (talk) 08:18, December 1, 2018 (UTC)
Disagree: As Kyle says, it has been tradition/policy to name clones with "Clone" at the end of their name instead of "II". If we want to change that, we'll need a major discussion to change it for all pages, not just this page. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 16:08, December 3, 2018 (UTC)
How many "[x] Clone" pages do we have? It can't be that many. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 08:38, December 5, 2018 (UTC)
Looking at Category:Clones:
  • 144 pages
    • 23 using "Clone";
    • 3 using "(Clone)";
    • 9 using a Roman numeral; and
    • 106 using either just a name or just an alias.
- Byfield (talk) 13:08, December 5, 2018 (UTC)
Those three () should probably be moved, then. The numerals are probably a bit confusing because that's also used for multiple unrelated - cf. Olivia Reynolds. And it might unconfuse Paul Kirk. --Tupka217 14:09, December 5, 2018 (UTC)
I disagree: "[name] (clone)" is a much better title. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 03:10, December 7, 2018 (UTC)


Marty McKann (Earth-Two) to Marty MCann (Earth-Two)

Bah. Typoed it. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 14:05, December 1, 2018 (UTC)


Barry Allen (Flash 1990 TV Series) to Barry Allen (Arrow: Earth-90)

The Supergirl episode Bunker Hill revealed that the 1990s Flash TV series is part of the Arrow multiverse and takes place on Earth-90. Given this revelation, we need to move all the character pages for the 1990s Flash TV series to a Arrow: Earth-90 designation as per naming conventions since they now have an official reality designation. This would include all the characters in the category:Flash (1990 TV Series) Characters category. DalekSupreme13 (talk) 11:36, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

As discussed here, I think it's too early to move them.

Spoilers for the epilogue in the Supergirl episode Bunker Hill:

So far, we've only seen John Wesley Shipp in his '90s costume and (maybe) the body of Captain Cold (Leonard Wynters) as evidence that it is the same Earth. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:51, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

We have confirmation that they are one and the same now, so I'd say it's worth taking action. —MakeShift (talk page) 12:18, December 26, 2018 (UTC)

Sandstorm (Prime Earth) to Nabil Azmah (Prime Earth)

His real name is revealed in Doomseday Clock #8. Thus there should be a name change to reflect this revelation.O21014 (talk) 09:33, December 5, 2018 (UTC)


Annie Chamberlain (Prime Earth) to Annabeth Chamberlain (Prime Earth)

Her name is revealed to be Annabeth in The Curse of Brimstone Vol 1 8, with Annie being a shortened version. There should be a change to reflect this.O21014 (talk) 16:55, December 5, 2018 (UTC)


Randall Stagg (New Earth) to Randall Stagg (Earth-One)

I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Shadzane 💀 (talk) 20:43, December 5, 2018 (UTC)


Wanda Wilson (New Earth) to Wanda Wilson (Earth-Two)

I cannot find where this character appeared (or was mentioned) post-Crisis. Which seems unlikely for such a major supporting character, but there you go! Shadzane 💀 (talk) 20:47, December 5, 2018 (UTC)


Pythia II (New Earth) to Pythia (New Earth)

And I to II. The numbering was based on an incorrect first appearance. The annual was published first. --Tupka217 11:58, December 8, 2018 (UTC)


Robin, The Boy Wonder: A Celebration of 75 Years (Collected) to Robin, the Boy Wonder: A Celebration of 75 Years (Collected)

Caps. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 06:51, December 11, 2018 (UTC)


Powerhouse (Prime Earth) to Alexa Antigone (Prime Earth)

Her real name was revealed in Flash #60, should be a change to reflect this. O21014 (talk) 16:35, December 12, 2018 (UTC)

This obviously needs to happen. SuperFan95 (talk) 06:04, December 14, 2018 (UTC)
Also, "Powerhouse" isn't the correct codename anyway -- It's "Fuerza". Powerhouse apparently comes from pre-sales publicity. Guess it was changed... Shadzane 💀 (talk) 20:15, December 20, 2018 (UTC)


Calvin City to Calvin City, Connecticut

Assuming that there are no "Calvin City"s in other states, and that Calvin City is in Connecticut on most or all parallel timelines. Precedent is Paris, France which already exists. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 11:25, December 15, 2018 (UTC)

Paris is a disambiguation page. That is why Paris, France is named that way. I don't think Calvin City, Happy Harbor or most of the cities on this wiki need to be moved. DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 11:41, December 15, 2018 (UTC)


Happy Harbor to Happy Harbor, Rhode Island

Labor-saving alternative to hunting and expanding every appearance of Happy Harbor, is why. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 11:32, December 15, 2018 (UTC)

How is this labor-saving? There is only one HH, no need to disambiguate. --Tupka217 11:49, December 15, 2018 (UTC)
Saves me the labor of visiting every page where Happy Harbor appears, and adding: comma Rhode Island. Stoop Davy Dave (talk) 15:54, December 15, 2018 (UTC)


JLA: Justice For All to JLA: Justice for All (Collected)

Caps, standard for collections. —Justin (koavf)·T·C 07:56, December 16, 2018 (UTC)


Crush II (Prime Earth) to Xiomara (Prime Earth)

Crush's real name was revealed in Teen Titans Vol 6 25, should be change.O21014 (talk) 18:19, December 19, 2018 (UTC)

Shouldn't we then change it to Xiomara Rojas (Prime Earth) since it makes no sense to use the first name her adoptive parents gave her but not their last name? (Freelancer DC talk 22:25, December 20, 2018 (UTC))
Someday (soon, I bet) we will find out her birth name, the one her biological mother gave her. Should we wait a few months and see if that happens? -- Shadzane 💀 (talk) 22:52, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

Plasstic Men to PlaSStic Men (Earth 10)

Grammatical error in title as the s's should be capitals, also I forgot to list the reality.O21014 (talk) 18:54, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

On the issue of the reality. The naration box above the story title states "Welcome to Earth-X..." as does the background material presented in the DC Nation page. It looks like we have a third "Earth-X" to deal with and all of the character pages created for Freedom Fighters (Volume 3) #1 need to be moved.
- Byfield (talk) 03:10, December 21, 2018 (UTC)
In the DC Nation Venditti says its a continuation of the Multiversity: Mastermen story which is based on Earth 10. Also in The multiversity guidebook Earth X is listed as an alias of Earth 10 so I think its based in the New 52 multiverse.
- O21014 (talk) 09:54, December 21, 2018 (UTC)

Mera (DC Extended Universe) to Y'Mera Xebella Challa (DC Extended Universe)

Her full name, as revealed in the Aquaman (Movie), should be the title of the article instead of the shortened version. O21014 (talk) 15:56, December 21, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I agree. I placed the move tag there. SeanWheeler (talk) 04:10, December 22, 2018 (UTC)

Black Manta (DC Extended Universe) to David Kane (DC Extended Universe)

I'm pretty sure it was reported somewhere that Black Manta would have the real name David Kane. Whether it's a rumor or we missed something, I think we should check and verify. He's David Hyde in the comics, so where did the Kane name come from? If we can find a verified source that he's David Kane, then the article should be moved and not have him treated as unnamed. But if we looked everywhere in the movie and verified sources and can't find the name, then we don't move him. SeanWheeler (talk) 04:10, December 22, 2018 (UTC)

Here's one article that confirms "David Kane": Aquaman: First Look at Black Manta's Costume -- Shadzane 💀 (talk) 19:32, December 26, 2018 (UTC)
It doesn't confirm it, it uses it. It might well be citogenesis. --Tupka217 19:47, December 26, 2018 (UTC)
So has anyone rewatched the movie to find the name? Maybe with closed captions on or looking through the credits? SeanWheeler (talk) 03:54, December 31, 2018 (UTC)
It's not used in the movie or the credits. --Tupka217 05:13, December 31, 2018 (UTC)
So all that hype around David Kane and they don't even use his name in the movie? SeanWheeler (talk) 06:40, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

Jeffrey Farnham (Earth-Two) to Jeff Farnham (Earth-Two)

In his only appearance, he is never called "Jeffrey". DrJohnnyDiablo (talk) 13:29, December 23, 2018 (UTC)


People's Heroes to People's Heroes (New Earth)

There is a Prime Earth version now. Kyletheobald (talk) 18:29, December 23, 2018 (UTC)


Amazons of Themyscira to Amazons of Paradise Island

In line with the move from Themyscira > Paradise Island. This would also allow us to merge those two relics, Amazons (Earth-One) and Amazons (Earth-Two), into the page. --Tupka217 15:49, December 29, 2018 (UTC)

I agree. I always thought it was unnecessary to have all of them.--FabioEscorpiao (talk) 18:12, January 2, 2019 (UTC)


Dimension Aqua to Xebel

I noticed that the Dimension Aqua page had a move tag, but no discussion here. So I am starting one... -- Shadzane 💀 (talk) 07:48, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

Oppose Dimension Aqua and Xebel are not the same thing. Xebel is merely one of the (presumably many) kingdoms/countries/political entities in Dimension Aqua. Sure, we haven't seen any of these other countries, but given the way Dimension Alpha is described, there must be many others. -- Shadzane 💀 (talk) 07:55, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
Xebel is currently a sorta-redirect disambig, and everything on the DA page is about Xebel. Does Dimension Aqua appear anywhere else as a prison dimension without Xebel? Are there any other kingdoms mentioned? I don't think it's worth splitting off into two pages, and Xebel is the best known name for this. The only known name, in Prime Earth. Having Xebel, featured prominently in the movie, as that shitty disambig is bad SEO. --Tupka217 09:39, December 30, 2018 (UTC)
Does Dimension Aqua even exist in Prime Earth or the movie? I haven't seen either, but it sounds like the newer Xebel is a pocket dimension that Atlantians were sent to as a prison (that is, Xebel is the name of the kingdom and the dimension, and it's small). On Earth-One/New Earth, the Xebelians were native to Dimension Aqua, so there must have been more kingdoms (as the relatively small population of Xebel wouldn't be enough to evolve and sustain a species).
But I'm kinda speaking from ignorance here. Can an Aquaman expert explain Xebel better to us? Shadzane 💀 (talk) 22:00, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

MY TIME TO SHINE. I might be slightly off on some of the specifics because it's been awhile but here's the rough gist. Dimension Aqua and Xebel are two fundamentally different things that occupy the same place in Mera's origins before and after the 2010 Aquaman reboot. Mera first appeared in 1963's Aquaman #11, where she came from the otherworldly "Dimension Aqua" with the help of a scientist named Xebel. Geoff Johns rebooted Mera's origins in Brightest Day #6. 2010 is an extremely annoying period in Aquaman continuity because it's pretty clear that Geoff Johns was beginning the reboot he would firmly establish in the New 52 (restoring Aquaman's half-human parentage) but he didn't quite take everything over into 2011 (for example, Jackson Hyde). So it causes an annoying split canon for Post-Crisis/Pre-Flashpoint Aquaman but doesn't quite 100% fit in with Post-Flashpoint either. Brightest Day kind of ignores the name Dimension Aqua, presumably because it's silly. It retcons that Mera has always told Aquaman she's from an "underwater world" named Xebel, and that Xebel isn't actually another dimension but an Atlantean prison colony located in the Bermuda Triangle. The old origin was a cover story because she was sent by her people to seduce and assassinate him. Then I think the New 52 canon further establishes that Xebel was one of several ancient Atlantean kingdoms, but I'm not sure exactly where that's said. In the movie it appears to be just one of the several kingdoms with no reference to it being a prison. - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:52, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much Billy! So to summarize:
Earth-One: Mera is from an unnamed kingdom in Dimension Alpha. She is a extradimensional alien. We know this is true because Aquaman visited Dimension Alpha several times.
New Earth: For most of New Earth's history, we were lead to believe the above was still basically true, but the issue had never been examined. Very late in New Earth's history, we learned that Mera was actually from a Kingdom called Xebel, which was on Earth (not another dimension) but was in the Bermuda Triangle (so it was hard to get to), and it was a former Atlantein prison colony (so she wasn't an alien). Also, Aquaman had never been there (until the reveal).
Prime Earth: The same as New Earth, except the status of Xebel was more integrated into the history and wasn't such a big secret. And it may be a bit more reputable?
So it sounds to me like Dimension Alpha and Xebel are different enough concepts that we need two pages. So a split, not a rename. -- Shadzane 💀 (talk) 16:37, January 2, 2019 (UTC)
It sounds like the shift of Xebel from scientist's name to kingdom's name happened after the creation of the wiki, so when "that place Mera's from" appeared, it was just linked to DA. --Tupka217 16:42, January 2, 2019 (UTC)


Mother Mayhem (Prime Earth) to Sonya Tarinka (Prime Earth)

I mistakenly identified her as Mother Mayhem in her first appearance. Also her real name was revealed in Titans Vol 3 32 which is her origin issue. O21014 (talk) 10: 02, January 3, 2019 (UTC)


World's Funniest (Shorts) to World's Funnest (Shorts)

World's Funniest (Shorts) is incorrect. It is actually "DC's World's Funnest" shorts (https://www.dcuniverse.com/videos/dc-nation-shorts-dcs-worlds-funnest/122/season-1). Subsequently, the corresponding character pages should also be moved:

BlackDragon 01:01, January 6, 2019 (UTC)


Monitor (Pre-Crisis) to Monitor (Earth-One)

He was born on Oa’s moon in the universe of Earth-One, see talk page.Schroeswald (talk) 02:26, January 6, 2019 (UTC)

Pegasi (Species) to Pterippi

The proper name for a winged horse is a Pterippi. The term "Pegasus" or "pegasi" is a common misconception stemming from the original Pterippi Pegasus. O21014 (talk) 09:35, January 14, 2019 (UTC)

Short form: No.
"Pegasus" and "pegasi" are the common terms used for winged horses. The Wikipedia article was deleted in 2006 as a neologism, and has not been recreated since. The term does not show up in a dictionary search and Google primarily comes up with a 2011 book and an entry on a wikiesque dictionary.
And, no, the current article should not be edited to include this very questionable term.
- Byfield (talk) 11:51, January 14, 2019 (UTC)