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Archived Move discussions Edit

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Move Discussions Edit

Mademoiselle Marie (New Earth) to Anais Guillot (New Earth) Edit

Checkmate Vol 2 21 - 22 rewrites the story of Marie and is given the name Anais Guillot. Though there were a few other women active during the war with the Marie codename, she was the one responsible for all the recorded WWII adventures so there shouldn't be any confusion with moving her. Kyletheobald 14:33, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Mademoiselle Marie (New Earth) would best be a redirect to Mademoiselle Marie, then. -- Tupka217 14:38, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ernie Chua to Ernie Chan Edit

According to the man himself, Chua was something he was stuck with by immigration, his real last name is Chan. The MDP has him listed as "Ernesto Chan", but he goes by Ernie. Currently, his stuff is split up between Chua and Chan, likely due to whatever he used in his signature at the time.

Roygbiv666 Sig 001.png 15:28, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Harm (Dakotaverse) to Edward Pugliese (Dakotaverse) Edit

Real name known. -- Tupka217 12:49, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Kirtan-Rhodd (New Earth) and Kirtann Rodd (New Earth) to Kirtan-Rodd (New Earth)Edit

Part merge, part move. Kirtan-Rodd is the spelling given in Who's Who in the DC Universe #6. -- Tupka217 16:03, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Horace Canfield (New Earth) to Horace Canfield (New Earth) Edit

"Bulldozer" Canfield and "Bulldozer" Nichols are two different characters. Canfield is the best known, in Our Army at War, Sgt. Rock and Suicide Squad Vol 2 and virtually everywhere else. Nichols had one initial appearance (before Canfield) and then returned in Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E. Vol 1 7 as a general. -- Tupka217 22:31, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


James Moriarty (Earth-One) to Thomas Moriarty (Earth-Two) Edit

Both the listed appearances are for an ancestor of James, named Thomas in Detective Comics #572. His first appearance was Earth-Two, his second New Earth. -- Tupka217 21:24, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Batman Episode: Call of the Cobblepot et al to Batman (2004 TV Series) Episode: Call of the Cobblepot et alEdit

For consistency since the parent series is Batman (2004 TV Series) and to avoid confusion with the 1966 episodes... which should likely be dabbed. - Byfield 20:38, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

The Episodes need some major moving. It's been brought up a couple of times, but nothing ever really materialized. I think all episodes should be moved to "[Full Series Name] Episode:". We also need to get some standard in naming, as some series are called "Animated Series" and some "TV Series" (even though they're animated). Adaptations have long been second class articles, and would definitely need more love. -- Tupka217 21:06, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
Personally "TV series" (or Series depending on caps pref) would seem to work best, with year added if need be. But it looks like the dabbing may cause problems with autocatting in the image template. - Byfield 21:54, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
Nathan experimented with automatically adding TV Series/Images, but it categorizes images wrong if the series doesn't have (TV Series) - Teen Titans/Images, Batman/Images. So yeah, that needs some consideration as well. -- Tupka217 22:28, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
Since the categories can be added manually, it seems that shouldn't hold up the move, just add something to the template's "To Do" list. - Byfield 03:29, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

To bang on this again... aside from the following pages need to be move to match naming conventions:

3 of those have been created since this was originallt broached. - Byfield 17:38, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Undead -> Zombies Edit

There is a small almost unnecessary distinction between Zombies and the Undead. A lot of the information here can be moved to the Necromancers page and the Zombies page. Mainly the difference is that Zombies are applied to humans whereas the Undead are any moving dead entity. However the information on the Undead page is attributed to Zombies as well as Necromancy and should be split up accordingly.

Midoki24 05:41, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Fury of Firestorm Vol 1 1 to Fury of Firestorm Vol 2 1 Edit

We had this discussion before, I still think it should be Vol 2. Firestorm Vol 2 is actually Fury of Firestorm Vol 1. -- Tupka217 22:38, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Before Firestorm Vol 2 it was renamed to plain "Firestorm" it WAS The Fury of Firestorm Vol 1. It's like counting Aquaman Vol 7 as Vol 6 just because the real Vol 6 got renamed to "Aquaman: Sword of Atlantis". Smash Brawler 23:31, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
I also agree. I was very confused at this one being called volume 1. That is incorrect. Goblyn4evil 22:30, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be even more accurate to have it at Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Men Vol 1? Kyletheobald 03:02, December 17, 2011 (UTC)
Since it's marketed on DC's website that way, Id say yes.--08:34, December 17, 2011 (UTC)Tupka217
I would agree as well. Popluvah22 04:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Martha Wayne (New Earth) to Martha Kane (New Earth) Edit

Kane is her maiden name.--1966batfan 19:42, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sportsmaster (Earth-16) to Lawrence Crock (Earth-16) Edit

In Young Justice Vol 2 7 Artemis's father is revealed to have the first name Lawrence. That's the same name as the New Earth Sportsmaster. Paired with his relationship with Artemis, I think that's enough proof to justify a move. Kyletheobald 18:39, August 28, 2011 (UTC) Definitely right.--1966batfan 20:28, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Nothing's certain yet. --Tupka217 10:12, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Checkmate to Checkmate (New Earth) Edit

I guess we need to move Checkmate to Checkmate (New Earth). Why? There are two different versions of Checkmate (the Comic Version and the Smallville Version). Maybe Checkmate will be a part of any other series or another earth in the DC Universe. --JimmyOlsen 16:31, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Krenshaw (New Earth) Edit

Detective Krenshaw appeared in Animal Man Vol 2 1, and doesn't have a first name yet. Someone went ahead and made a character page and a gallery for him, so it's made some work for us, once we know his real name. - Hatebunny 13:11, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Teshomé Hawkins (Dakotaverse) to Teshomé Hawkins (New Earth)Edit

He never appeared in the Dakotaverse, only in the special, which is New Earth. -Tupka217 09:47, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Thaal Sinestro (Justice) to Sinestro (Justice) Edit

Justice came out before the first name Thaal was first used. --Tupka217 13:08, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Amparo Cardenas (New Earth) to Amparo Cardenas (New Earth) Edit

In Blue Beetle Vol 3 1 they reveal her last name. Kyletheobald 18:59, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

agreed --Ouroborosi 15:03, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Dollmaker (New Earth) to Dollmaker II (New Earth) Edit

To avoid confusion with Anton Schott. --Tupka217 06:18, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

A comic that just came out today (Detective Comics (Volume 2) #3) revealed his name to be Barton Mathis so I guess Barton Mathis (New Earth) would be the proper name designation.--Queso6p7 23:38, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Aquaman Secret Files and Origins Vol 1 2003 to Aquaman Secret Files and Origins 2003 Edit

"2003" is not an issue number in this case, it is part of the title. Alternates would be Aquaman Secret Files and Origins 2003 Vol 1 or (worse since there is no issue number) Aquaman Secret Files and Origins 2003 Vol 1 1

- Byfield 00:04, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

SF&O naming is a tricky business, it's more than this issue. We might have to reconsider all of it. --Tupka217 07:19, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Nathaniel Adam (Earth-16) to Nathaniel Adams (Earth-16) Edit

Young Justice Vol 2 9 reveals his full name. Unfortunately, I missed it before creating his daughter and she needs moved now too. Kyletheobald 06:56, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wonder Boy (New Earth) to Wonder Boy (Earth-X) Edit

The character Wonder Boy (New Earth) was never officially implemented into the DC New Earth. Seeing as he is a Quality Comics character and Earth-X is the QC character's home, I believe the page should be moved. Watermint 00:37, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Dark Ranger (New Earth) to Ranger (New Earth) Edit

I see he's in the move category; why though? He has a total of 4 appearances listed and in 3 of them, he's called the Dark Ranger. Is the Ranger name more legitimate because it was first? Kyletheobald 18:33, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Lola (New Earth) to Lola MacIntire (New Earth) Edit

Her full name was revealed in Catwoman Vol 4 3 --JimmyOlsen 07:17, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. The name Lola must have been used a number of times in comics. To prevent confusion, this one should be moved to the full name. My only question, are we still using (New Earth) for characters introduced post-Flashpoint? Joshua Weil 03:36, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
Yep. I asked Tupka a few weeks ago. It's still New Earth. I would prefer a new page for every "after-Flashpoint" character but it's still New Earth. --JimmyOlsen 13:40, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Mirror (New Earth) to Jonathan Mills (New Earth) Edit

His full name was revealed --JimmyOlsen 07:19, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Darwin Jones (Earth-One) to Darwin Jones (New Earth) Edit

Darwin has shown up in a couple of Justice League-related books recently written by James Robinson. Kyletheobald 22:32, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Intergang to Intergang (New Earth) Edit

I think we should move it to New Earth so we can use the main one as a disambig. There are 3 other versions at this point, Smallville, Young Justice and DCU online. Kyletheobald 04:43, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

And DCAU. --Tupka217 08:34, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Actor:Diedrich Bader to Actors:Diedrich Bader Edit

Consistancy across the snippits for Actors. Actor:Tara Strong should also be moved for the same reason. - Byfield 19:09, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Done. --08:34, December 17, 2011 (UTC)Tupka217

Starfire (Earth-One) to Starfire (New Earth) Edit

Its been shown that she is a part of New Earth during the Time Masters mini. I would also prefer using Starfire instead of Starfire I because Starfire appears to be her actual name. The other 2 people to use it have other real names to differentiate anyway. Kyletheobald 19:56, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Corbett (Earth-X) to Thomas Corbett (New Earth) Edit

I don't think there is much reason to keep this at Earth-X. Especially considering his appearances in All-Star Squadron and, more recently, Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters. Though, really, I could keep them split too. Ideas? Kyletheobald 03:10, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Paco Testas (New Earth) to Paco Testas (New Earth) Edit

Finally revealed in Blue Beetle Vol 3 4. Kyletheobald 11:17, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Francis Stone (Dakotaverse) to Martin Scaponi (Dakotaverse) Edit

Back when this was created, I moved it to Francis Stone, which is his name in the DCAU; I misread the wikipedia article and thought it was the name for the original too. He's only referred to as Biz Money B in the comics, but the trading card set (can upload the card if required) identifies him as Martin Scaponi. --Tupka217 16:46, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

@Tupka217

You may want to consult with Milestone's co-founders Michael Davis, Denys Cowan Christopher Priest, and Derek Dingle to confirm which name for Hotstreak is correct. Another option would be former Milestone writers and artists like John Rozum or Mark Bright.

If those options don't work, then I think you should follow the card as the primary source for Hotstreak's real name.

Zeraze1 21:42, January 7, 2012 (UTC) zeraze1

I can't find anything in the Static issues I have (all but 5 or 6) except the nickname Biz Money B. I think it's safe to move to Scaponi. --Tupka217 22:09, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


Pete Ross (Smallville) to Peter Ross (Smallville) Edit

Naming conventions. Kyletheobald 14:13, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Saiko (New Earth) to Raymond (New Earth)Edit

The last page of Nightwing (vol. 3) #5 has confirmed Saiko's real identity as Raymond whose name was previously mentioned in the third issue. -Adv193 01:08, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Is Raymond his first or last name? I think we might want to wait until we have both names. Kyletheobald 01:18, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
Okay but at least I am bringing this to your attention. -Adv193 01:21, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Swamp Thing Annual Vol 2 to Swamp Thing Annual Vol 1 Edit

Long and the short: This is the only volume of Swamp Thing Annual. The base page, issue pages, and categories should be moved to reflect this.

- Byfield 19:52, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Annuals are named in conjunction with the series that was published at the time. --Tupka217 20:14, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
So, if DC published Swamp Thing Annual #1 this year, we would post it as "Swamp Thin Annual Vol 5 1" rather than "Vol 2" (actual 2nd volume of the indecia title) or "Vol 3"?
- Byfield 23:48, January 22, 2012 (UTC)
Yes. Like the Supergirl Annuals, Vol 4 and Vol 5. --Tupka217 08:21, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Kiran Singh (New Earth) to Kiran Singh (New Earth) Edit

Revealed in Teen Titans Vol 4 5. Kyletheobald 08:11, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Seven Soldiers Edit

The current (New Earth) page is an out of universe and outdated writeup of all incarnations (probably a wikipedia rip, haven't checked). The (Earth-Two) page covers the team that has made plenty of post-crisis appearances. So I and II make more sense than Earth designations. --Tupka217 (talk|wall) 16:14, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Green Lantern: First Flight character pages Edit

Under what appears to be normal dabbing conventions, these should be under (First Flight) not (Green Lantern: First Flight). The list of affected pages include:

- Byfield 16:46, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Giggles (Super Friends) to Giggles (New Adventures of Batman) Edit

The character was unique to the Filmation show, not the one by Hana-Barbera and the is nothing to show or suggest that the two shows shared a continuity.

- Byfield 18:30, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

That era of animation is an all-out mess. Doesn't help that the Super Friends wiki covers both HB and Filmation. --Tupka217 (talk|wall) 06:47, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
most of the Filmation stuff has been released on a DVD called "Superheroes: The Filmation Adventures". I think (Filmation Adventures) could be a handy catch-all for all the Filmation series. --Tupka217 (talk|wall) 16:41, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
That would work and it would minimize the dab and "universe" information instead of relying on the individual show titles.
- Byfield 23:15, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
The affected articles would be:
along with the relavent categories.
- Byfield 23:48, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Justice League Unlimited episode and related pages Edit

Based on the convention of dabs used for other television shows (TV Series) should be included in the episode titles to match the parent article, Justice League Unlimited (TV Series). This would affect the following articles and their associated pages:

A lot of series, maybe all, need moving of episodes. Agree with this one. --Tupka217 (talk|wall) 06:47, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Batman Beyond episode and related pages Edit

Based on the convention of dabs used for other television shows (TV Series) should be included in the episode titles to match the parent article, Batman Beyond (TV Series). This would affect the following articles and their associated pages:

- Byfield 01:38, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Flak (New Earth) to Clete Jenkins (New Earth) Edit

Shown in Damage Vol 1 6. Kyletheobald 01:41, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Superman (1996 TV Series) episode and related pages Edit

Based on the convention of dabs used for other television shows (1996 TV Series) should be included in the episode titles to match the parent article, Superman (1996 TV Series). This would affect the following articles and their associated pages:

- Byfield 02:31, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Swamp Thing (1990 TV Series) episode and related pages Edit

Based on the convention of dabs used for other television shows (1990 TV Series) should be included in the episode titles to match the parent article, Swamp Thing (1990 TV Series). This would affect the following articles and their associated pages:

- Byfield 17:51, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

{{Mental Instability}} to {{Mental Illness}} Edit

Consistency with the category - Category:Mental Illness - which the template feeds pages into.

- Byfield 01:16, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

White Rabbits Edit

I: Angora Lapin, Steel villain
II: (currently just WR, which might be confusing to new readers) Shadowpact villain
III: (currently II) New 52 Bats villain
--Tupka217 (talk|wall) 10:26, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hop Harrigan (Earth-Two) to Hop Harrigan (New Earth) Edit

He has at least a couple New Earth appearances. Kyletheobald 16:58, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Batman: The Brave and the Bold (TV Series) episodes Edit

Normally I'd just leave it as based on convention all of the episode titles need to be moved from Batman: The Brave and the Bold:<Episode title> to Batman: The Brave and the Bold (TV Series) Episode:<Episode title> as with previous 4 sets I put up here.

However, the current titles are causing problems with some of the commonly used templates and their output. "Episode" is needed for at least {{Episode Images}} to work properly. And the "!" is playing hobs with {{ed}}. And either one or both is shortchanging things on the base image template. This means it is a little bit more than just a style convention issue.

All 65 episodes need to be moved to add "(TV Series) Episode" and remove the "!", even if the "!" is part of the title.

- Byfield 22:51, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sumo the Samurai (Earth-Two) to Sumo the Samurai (New Earth) Edit

Appears in Young All-Stars, which is Post-Crisis. Also, the picture on his page is from a Post-Crisis appearance. Kyletheobald 06:57, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Helmut Streicher (Earth-Two) to Helmut Streicher (New Earth) Edit

This one I'm not as sure on. He appears in Young All-Stars 16-19 but he doesn't appear as Red Panzer. Not sure if we should move it or create a new page. Opinions? Kyletheobald 07:00, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

New Earth. --Tupka217 (talk|wall) 15:43, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Grösshorn Eule (New Earth) to Grösshorn Eule (New Earth) Edit

Why should his name be translated into English when no other characters are? We still have Ubermensch and Fledermaus in German. Kyletheobald 21:51, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Mark Merlin (Earth-One) to Mark Merlin (New Earth) Edit

He's appeared both dead and alive Post-Crisis: dead in Animal Man and Reign in Hell, alive in Superman #690 (which included an "I thought you were dead") and Xombi (haven't read it). That's why I don't think a separate New Earth article would work. --Tupka217 (talk|wall) 10:27, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

File:Adam Strange (New Earth) 004.png Edit

I'm not sure of the destination name in this case, but "(New Earth)" should go. Based on the articles, and the dating of the image, this is the pre-Crisis character.

- Byfield 04:59, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Batman: The Brave and The Bold Vol 1 to Batman: The Brave and the Bold Vol 1 Edit

Can we get these flipped so we have the proper capitalization in place? It would also match the title for the show at that point. This will also affect the 22 issues and all related categories.

- Byfield 16:08, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Bonnie King-Jones (New Earth) to Bonnie King (New Earth) Edit

Maiden name. --Tupka217 (talk|wall) 22:26, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

BIT to Javier Bergantiño Edit

Seems more appropriate to list the artist under his name rather than his pseudonym.

- Byfield 15:16, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Except when you consider that the pagename is just how we add things to the site. It makes more sense for us to use the pseudonym that he actually uses in comics, instead of the real name that he never uses.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:54, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough. - Byfield 15:56, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
In that light, shouldn't Carlos Urbano be moved to CAFU and Matt Banning to Batt? And what of Swands? --Tupka217 16:01, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
I Guess the line is the difference between "only", "usually", and "sometimes". The statement was that "BIT" is the only way Bergantiño is credited on comics. Is the same true for Urbano, Banning, Wands, and others? That is, in the "credits" box are the nicknames/pseudonyms used exclusively or are they credited by full name at times? Are the pseudonyms an artifact of signatures on art/covers? Is it the same for BIT?
- Byfield 16:13, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
In my reading, I have never seen BIT or Cafu credited to their real names. Batt is used about about 75% of the time and Matt Banning the other 25%. Swands is about 50-50. That may not always hold true but that's roughly what I've encountered. Kyletheobald 16:18, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
hrm... Aside from the 4 examples, how far do we want to look? - Byfield 10:44, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Superman (Vathlo) to Kalel of Krypton (Earth-23) Edit

The "Superman (Vathlo)" article is about a parallel version of Superman who is black and also President of the United States, created by Grant Morrison. In Action Comics Vol 2 9, we meet Kalel of Krypton, the Superman of Earth-23, who is black and also President of the United States, and created by Grant Morrison.

I propose that they are... the same man. CaptainKobold 22:09, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Indigo-1 (New Earth) to Iroque (New Earth) Edit

Revealed in Green Lantern Vol 5 9. Kyletheobald 03:33, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Golden Seal to Seal of Clarity Edit

Revealed to be the true name of the Seal in Aquaman Vol 7 8. - Doomlurker 13:11, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

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