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Organisation of Dark Knight (Movie) characters

Jdogno7

You still haven't explained to me what was wrong about the way it was organised.

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- LoveWaffle
  
  Dude, you've been overruled on it several times. Let it go.
  
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  a) There's nothing wrong with tagging Gotham Organized Crime in the appearances, so long as the sub-appearances make sense, re: people can't be sub-appearances of people.
  b) "overruled" is a bit of an over-statement, considering that constantly reverting the guy's edits doesn't magically make you the authority.
  c) you owe it to other people to make an explanation, otherwise you're just edit-warring, and that's pretty unsportsmanlike.
  d) Maybe we're just better off without a d.
  
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  What do you mean by your point in a)? I don't get what you're trying to say. No offence.
  
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  You can do this:
  
  Gotham City Organized Crime
  
  Stevie-JoeBob
  
  Albert Poppinthwaite
  
  But you can't do this:
  
  Gotham City Organized Crime
  
  Stevie-JoeBob
  
  Albert Poppinthwaite
  
  Some other guy who's not inside Stevie
  
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- LoveWaffle
  
  Hatebunny wrote:
  b)"overruled" is a bit of an over-statement, considering that constantly reverting the guy's edits doesn't magically make you the authority.
  
  I don't claim the authority. Yourself, Kyletheobald, and Tupka217 have all told him to stop interfering with the organization of the characters on that page, which has in the past resulted in Jdongo7 being blocked.
  
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  your belaboured rationalizations do not account for common sense, or the fact that there is no page called "DC Multiverse".
  
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  In my frustration at seeing yet another issue to deal with, I failed to make the larger point:
  Edit-warring is bad. Always use the edit summary if you revert someone's edit, and if someone is reverting your edits over and over despite being asked to stop, contact an administrator for moderation, don't just keep reverting each other's edits.
  
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- LoveWaffle
  
  Will do if that applies, but it does not here.
  
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  The last six or seven edits listed here suggest otherwise.
  That said, edit histories should not look like that, ever.
  Jdongo, if you're still reading this thread, make one big edit, or no edits. 50 small edits in a row is ridiculous.
  
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- LoveWaffle
  
  All they suggest is I was helping enforce a ruling made by administrators.
  
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  among the weird appearance organization edits were several pretty okay edits to the history section of the page. If you're going to undo an edit like that, fix what's wrong and leave what's right. Undoing everything is just a dick move.
  
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- LoveWaffle
  
  Have to send the message somehow. If the words of (at least) three administrators and a block don't work, what will?
  
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  not that, obviously.
  
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Blog, History Summary and subsequent edits

Midoki24

I made a blog post concerning the source of information for Injustice: Gods Among Us, I left notes in the history summary after I removed all that information and then made subsequent edits on a number of character pages and issue pages.
You cannot go over these edits and reenter information as you see fit. Especially when that information comes from twitter, youtube or any site other than the official website and the game (which isn't out at this time).
Because of it I'll have to once again go into the video game article and delete nearly 15k bytes of information because you didn't read the number of articles concerning this video game.
To clarify, these twitter and video links are at home on the Injustice: Gods Among Us wikia (if one exists) not the DC Database. We simply record information about the characters and event as they play out in the game not the game information itself.
We can continue talking about the discrepancies if you feel you need further information but understand that twitter and youtube sources are not accepted.

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  I have no idea what you're talking about.
  
  Information from Twitter comes from Ed Boon's personal twitter account.
  Information from Youtube is either from the game's Youtube channel or the game's trailers released on the Youtube channels for professional gaming journalism sources.
  
  I have no idea what your problem with the information is. It's completely valid.
  
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  Furthermore, the cast of playable characters in a fighting game is a crucial component of that game. While the Appearances section of a page usually isn't where we find sources confirming that character is in whatever media that page is for, it is crucial for every fighter to have whatever source confirms he/she is a playable character. Please do not remove this. It helps fight vandalism.
  
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  Please don't take this personal, nothing we do here is against you personally.
  Here is a list of events which pertain to Injustice:
  1) I verified all the information you entered, I double and triple checked it and it all was true.
  2) I went through all the released comic books and edited and created the missing or incorrect parts.
  3) I went through most if not all the character pages to make sure they reflected the issues.
  4) I then checked the video game page to see if the information synced up. (Since the comic books are a prequel they would and do include information that won't be in the game, it's understood) And finally and most importantly.
  5) I checked with multiple admins (the one's who were available) and asked them how we should correctly handle the page.
  Since we don't have many precedents set for video games and we're primarily a comic book-based encyclopedia we include the information within the game as it pertains to the characters or stories. (For example, we don't have the mortal kombat character's unlock moves or rate the game's graphics)
  I then went ahead and created a blog post detailing that information for the video game can ONLY be sourced from the video game itself and the official website. This does not include Twitter or Youtube.
  tl;dr I don't have a problem with the information, it's valid but it has no place here so do not reenter it for a third time.
  
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  Why does it not have a place here? This is not something like how to unlock characters or specifics on how some of the mechanics work. This is a list of characters, playable or not, locations, vehicles, and items from the DC Universe that appear in the game.
  This is no different than similar information that appears in the movie. When a source comes around that reveals a certain character is in a movie, we add that information. Why should there be a double standard for video games.
  
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  Not only that, you've taken information that had a valid source, removed said information, and added {{Citation Needed}}
  Are you kidding me?
  
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  The game has not been released as such information such as characters, items and locations can only be taken from a canonical source such as the publisher's website or the source itself (issues, video games, shows and movies).
  Therefore the information removed was the appearances of characters, items and/or locations that have not been seen since the game has not been released. Especially the trivia and note section detailing facts about the game that appeared to be sourced from articles from gaming conventions when the game was in beta testing.
  The page in question was reduced to fan service, release information and unnecessary clutter of information which is unhelpful to the Database and since an edit war was started I've protected the page until it's release.
  
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  What?
  items and locations can only be taken from a canonical source such as the publisher's website or the source itself (issues, video games, shows and movies).
  So then why do you consider the producer's Twitter account and the game's Youtube account not a canonical source? I apologize if there was a source or two that got by me and the other users who edited the page, but the overwhelming majority of information on that page came from materials released by or statements from the people producing the game.
  
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  Information cannot be taken from the publisher's Youtube or Twitter because information shouldn't be taken from anywhere other than the source itself so I'm actually allowing for more information to be entered from a legitimate source such as their website.
  However any extra information obtained from a Youtube or Twitter that is not already listed in the source (which we cannot verify since it's not out yet) then it's not a contribution to the website it's speculation until it's confirmed. We don't and cannot operate in speculation even if it's seemingly legitimate.
  In fact, we use Twitter to talk to creators all the time. However, we'll ask questions like "is this character Joe Blow or Joe Blow II in Joe's Comics #13?" so the information we're receiving from twitter is about information that has already been published.
  
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  Information cannot be taken from the publisher's Youtube or Twitter because information shouldn't be taken from anywhere other than the source itself so I'm actually allowing for more information to be entered from a legitimate source such as their website.
  That is the source. Ed Boon's Twitter account and the game's Youtube page is the primary vehicle for information about the game to be released. If you do not consider that a valid source of information, than there should be nothing on that page, not a release date or any confirmed characters as there's nothing to actually confirm they're in the game. Nor should any information for to-be-released media, such as upcoming movies and television shows, yet a similar hard-line stance on its sources is not taken there.
  How does it serve the database to incompletely represent any media, video game or otherwise, by arbitrarily considering certain sources as invalid?
  But this is something of a moot point because there is no reason whatsoever why information can only come from the video game itself and the tie-in comic books.
  
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  As I said before I never said the Twitter or Youtube information wasn't valid, I simply said it has no place here and it defends information about characters that do not yet exist.
  If you see any pre-release information regarding any form of media here on the Database please let me know because it too shouldn't exist. We simply don't do that here, we catalog information as it occurs not before it does.
  I'm sorry but source information can only come from the source, anywhere else and it's unnecessary. You can reenter the information on a blog or forum post or even the trivia section of the characters if you desire but I caution as any outright speculation will once again be removed.
  
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  As I said before I never said the Twitter or Youtube information wasn't valid, I simply said it has no place here and it defends information about characters that do not yet exist.
  You've never said why it doesn't have a place here. Your prejudices against sources other than the physical material is arbitrary at best.
  If the information's valid, there should be no problem with it being represented. It's as if you're trying to say that the DC Database is not the place to find the most up-to-date information about the DC Universe.
  
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  It's simple. We do not accept speculation or citations from anything other than the source material itself. We are not a gaming, tv, movie, toy or news wikia, we're a Database and we are confined by a different set of rules to be acknowledged as a Database and not a fan site.
  You understand and are now fully aware of these rules which are not set by just me. This isn't a vendetta and we're trying to make accommodations for you since a majority of the abolished information was yours. That's all.
  
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  If that's the rule, it's not in effect. Not only are you the only admin to take similar issue with the page, and any page of its sort, but other admins have edited that page and others without removing similar information. It also doesn't help that there are citation templates on the wiki that allow editors to link to outside sources. I also looked for any documentation or codified set of rules that says outside sources cannot be used, and can't find one.
  I can't expect to be accommodated when there's nothing to accommodate - there is no rule in place that says outside sources cannot be used.
  I don't think you have a vendetta against me, nor should I have any reason to believe so (should I?). I'm just trying to understand this mind-numbingly bizarre and seemingly arbitrary decision you're making regarding sources on this one particular page.
  
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  Here's a thing: If something's not out yet, there's no reason to be gung-ho about filling out as much information as possible on that thing before it's out, because "confirmed by a source" is not the same as "verified."
  If Ed Boon - or, for the sake of this silly point, God - says unicorns are real, I don't add unicorns to my mental catalogue of things that exist until I've seen the unicorns.
  Basically, we don't love it when people jump all over new crap and try to be the first to have all the information on the page - because they make more work for us when they turn out to be wrong. Or when it turns out they don't know what the hell they're doing. Patience above all prevents me from murdering such people. Patience above all should prevent them from running to tell it on the mountain every time Ed Boon types 140 characters or less.
  
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  Which is why I would understand not using a simple fansite as a source to confirm a character, location, etc. is in the game. But officially released information from publishers, producers, and retailers backed by gameplay images and/or footage? There's your unicorns.
  Besides, none of the information removed from the page (save two characters that already appeared in the comics) did not already have a page. So what if that's Tomar-Tu instead of Tomar-Re? It's as simple as fixing one link. You're underestimating the amount of patience and forethought that goes into these things, and overestimating the amount of work it would take to fix.
  
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I feel as though this has already been made clear to you a few times:

Hatebunny

but you may need to take one or several of a variety of chill pills.

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  Huh?
  
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Episodes

Kyletheobald

Hey I just wanted to let you know I appreciate you going through and hitting so many episode pages. Its something not many editors seem to be concerned about but it makes our site look so much better and complete to have them filled in. Anyway, thanks again for giving them some love.

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  Thanks!
  
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  In turn, thanks for creating the pages for some of the recently introduced YJ characters.
  Got any tips on writing summaries?
  
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  For characters or episodes? On episode pages, try to cover the main points but you don't necessarily need every tiny detail. For characters, summarize their involvement without just copying the info from the episode page. Don't copy directly from other sites either because that will definitely get you yelled at. Otherwise, anything you write up is generally better than nothing.
  
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  Like that Nightcrawler15 guy.
  Should characters be covered episode-to-episode or only on specific, overarching points?
  
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  That depends. A character like Superboy, if not done correctly, could become too long to read if you cover every single episode. A fairly minor character should probably have every appearance written up.
  
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Kyletheobald

Hey, when you tag articles to be moved, its really useful to the admins if you start a topic about it on the move talk page. It gives us your reason why you think it needs moved and allows us to either agree or discuss it. Otherwise, your thinking isn't always clear to us. Thanks.

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  Yep. I just normally don't see any progress on that talk page (the one the the "discuss" link in each tag links to), so it doesn't seem like it's all that more productive.
  
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  Which move tag in particular do you mean?
  
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  The one I noticed was Mala. Why add the Kryptonian identifier? I can't think of another instance where we used something like that instead of Roman Numerals outside of a clone.
  Also, you're right that very few people write up the discussion. I'd like to change that. There are times when we go through the list and nobody knows why something was tagged. It'd be nice to at have a least something to refer back to.
  
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  The Roman Numerals are very misleading. When I see "Mala II (Earth-Two)", I'm reading "Mala the Second (Earth-Two)". As if he's the son of "Mala the First (Earth-Two)", and not just the second person to be named Mala. The Kryptonian identifier is a more specific title.
  Are there that many other situations like this?
  
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  There are lots of other characters that are completely unrelated that are II's and III's, etc. There are some I find kind of awkward even, like Iris West II. Its just easier to add numerals than always finding something to identify it with and still have a uniform appearance across the site. Iris West II (New Earth) looks better and is easier to standardize than Iris West (Wally's Daughter) (New Earth) or something similar.
  
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  "Iris West II (New Earth)" actually case makes sense, since she is related to Iris West (New Earth). Same could be said of Bartholomew Allen II (New Earth), who is the grandson of Bartholomew Allen (New Earth). But Mala (Earth-Two) and Mala II (Earth-Two) are completely unrelated characters, and the Roman Numeral assumes some familial relationship between the characters.
  
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  Maybe that's the case but I've never heard of anybody being a II if they weren't the next in line. In those cases, the naming skips a generation. Perhaps Iris wasn't the best example. See Jackal for a better one. There is a Jackal I, II, and III. None of them are related by family and none of them are legacy villains. Without using the numerals you get something like Jackal (Superman villain) (New Earth), Jackal (a different Superman villain) (New Earth), Jackal (Hangman villain) (New Earth).
  
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  To be quick: Adding to the move discussion page is necessary, because when I run the bot, it automatically shows me the entry on that page related to the page needing to be moved, so that I know WHY it needs to be moved. If I just ran it blindly, a bunch of idiots could tag things that don't need to be tagged, and it would be a messy crap.
  The numerals are the best method we have. See Kyle's examples above. They're unacceptable.
  
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  Re:Kyletheobald - Like Iris West, I don't think Jackal and Mala's case is all that similar. "Jackal" is (at least as far as I can gather given the scant information on those pages) an alias. We're not expecting those characters to be related, and the Roman Numerals denote the order they assumed that mantle (as in Tally Man I (New Earth) and Tally Man II (New Earth)).
  So, in short this is my mental process - If two or more characters have the same name, either:
  
  Denote the difference between the two characters via Roman Numerals if either a) the two characters are genetically related, or b) the two characters go by the same alias and no real name is provided.
  Denote the difference using as succinct an identifier as possible if the two characters share the same real name but are unrelated.
  
  I know I'm losing on this, but I thought I'd make my point anyway.
  One a somewhat related note, shouldn't pages like "Mala (Earth-Two)" and "Iris West (New Earth)" be "Mala I (Earth-Two)" and "Iris West I (New Earth)" to conform with the style and to denote that there is another person by that name out there? I see it with aliases (like Jackal) but not so much with real names.
  That, or some message like "This article is about the Kryptonian criminal. If you are looking for the Amazon of the same name, see Mala (Earth-Two)" at the top of those pages?
  
  Re:Hatebunny - I'll try to do better to remember to add something to the discussion page. In fact, I'll try and go back and add as many as I can shortly. I've got a solid block of classes from 1PM EST, so I'm using a loose definition of "shortly".
  
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  Adding boilerplate templates to the top of the page is ugly and distracting that's why we have them on the bottom of the page unless they're important.
  We don't need to go over Iris' page and stick a I to it because she's the first and no one ever, ever calls her Iris West the first. However, characters do say "the original Tally Man" or "the first Tally Man" so in that way it helps.
  
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  We're discussing the whole convention now. I'm not sure what we'll end up with but someone will let you know.
  Also, thanks for making up the move discussions. Sorry I didn't mention this earlier, but we're already in the process of discussing other possible formats for episodes, so you don't need to bring up a discussion on them. If they're tagged the same as the other episodes, you're good to go.
  
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  Re:Midoki24 - In the same sense that no one calls Iris West "Iris West the first", would (since I don't suspect many if any are) anyone call Mala II "Mala the second" or "The second Mala" over "Mala the Kryptonian"?
  Also, not exactly sure what's meant by "boilerplate templates". I won't call myself an inexperienced wiki editor, but it's a term I've never encountered before. Do you mean move/merge/etc. tags?
  
  Re:Kyletheobald - Does that discussion on the episode format include both how to indicate the series (i.e. "Superman (1996 TV Series) Episode" over "Superman TAS Episode") and merging multi-part episodes?
  Also, there may be a few more I forgot to put up on the discussion page. On the other hand, there's always the possibility I accidentally left a move tag on top of one of the various pages for the various Batman Beyond, Superman TAS, and New Batman Adventures episodes I've created over the past couple weeks. Simple mistake from copy/pasting the episode template from another page. So, if anyone - namely Hatebunny's bot - sees that, it is just a stupid mistake.
  
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  We've not talked about multiple part episodes yet. The way we're leaning now is titling pages "Superman (1996) Episode 1.1" or some similar fashion using season and episode numbers instead of episode names. We probably won't start on that project though until we decide how to finish up the Prime Earth move project.
  
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  So that's what that tag means. I'll try to add it when I see it's missing.
  
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  there's another problem with the episode move project, which is that none of our templates that are supposed to show the episode name will work with the new naming system, and I can't flippin' figure out why. Like this:
  
  "Nothing to Fear"
  (September, 1992)
  
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  "The Pants of Test Salad"
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Midoki24

The worm from the episode held no importance and is not a recurring character, it won't be named and therefore doesn't need to go under "appearances". Furthermore, just because certain characters or places were mentioned does not mean it needs a mention tag. Unfortunately, they did not appear so they should not go under "appearances".
You can include all this information in the synopsis, however.

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  Both do:
  
  The worm is an episode-only character (most likely), and did make an appearance in the episode. ADDENDUM: It wouldn't get a page, but it still warrants inclusion under appearances.
  Anything mentioned gets the {{Mentioned}} tag (which is why that exists).
  
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  Agree on #2. But it doesn't get a {{a|
  
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  Exactly. That's what gives the episode the category for the character's appearance, right?
  
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- Kyletheobald
  
  I'm not sure I agree with the mentioned thing personally but I'll go with whatever the consensus is. I just think not every time that someone says something like, "Bet he's not as tough as Batman," do we need to link Batman or says, "Remember that trip to Star City?" that we need to link to Star City. Maybe we should have a different standard for mentions in episodes than in comics but its seems a little over-anal to me.
  
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- LoveWaffle
  
  I would agree with Kyletheobald if it were more common. However, there's usually only a small number of characters, places, etc. that are only mentioned in any given issue, movie, comic, etc.
  
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- Hatebunny
  
  Yeah, I would say that anybody who has a name gets an appearance in plain-text (but not necessarily a page-link and appearance tag).
  Mentioned characters who are not integral to the plot in some way probably don't need to be added to appearances, though. A mention and an appearance are different things.
  
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- JimmyOlsen
  
  IMO if someone said "Remember that trip to Star City?", it should be tagged as mentioned. Why? Because that's the reason why this tag exists - like LoveWaffle said before. What if someone reads a comic book, watch an episode of a TV show or a movie and somone in the comic/episode/movie says "How is Chief Parker?" and the person who watch/read doesn't know who Chief Parker is? A mentioned tag with a link to Chief Parker would help them.
  I hope you know what I mean hehe - I'm a little bit sick right know and english is not my native language so ...
  
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  I agree with Jimmy - it serves to provide a link you things you encounter in the comic.
  
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Saint Walker Image

XxxOUTBURSTxxx

Hey would you mind telling me where you got the Saint Walker image from Green Lantern TAS? I think it may have been one that I uploaded on a different wiki. Just curious.

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- LoveWaffle
  
  I honestly don't remember. Where did you upload it?
  
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  I uploaded it here: [[1]]. However, the image has since been deleted as we moved to a different url.
  
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- LoveWaffle
  
  I didn't even know that wiki existed.
  
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- XxxOUTBURSTxxx
  
  I'm guessing the image must have shown up in a google image search or something. Haha thanks for your time.
  
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JLA movie.

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i think it could interest you http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/18/jla-movie-to-face-off-against-avengers-2 http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/warner-bros-plot-2013-shoot-2015-release-for-justice-league-will-spinoff-new-character-movies-from-the-team-up-film-20121018#

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- HombreHormiga
  
  reply to #1
  
  we are doom
  
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- LoveWaffle
  
  What's really mind-boggling is that they're CHOOSING to go up against The Avengers 2. It's a fight they're destined to lose.
  
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  thats true.
  
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Kyletheobald

Did a new episode air yesterday? My dvr recorded it but it was How to Train Your Dragon instead. I set it to record again today and I got Johnny Test.

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- LoveWaffle
  
  No, one did not. At least, not in the US. The episode aired in Canada today, can be found on iTunes, and various other less reputable places on the internet.
  According to a press release made by Cartoon Network yesterday, new episodes of Young Justice and anything DC Nation related will return in the US January 2013. [1]
  
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- Tupka217
  
  Which caused all social media to erupt.
  
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- LoveWaffle
  
  ^ Understatement
  
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  I saw the link yesterday so I wondered where you saw it. Thanks for the other info though.
  
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{Green|first appearance as}

Tupka217

Actually, there's a {{1stas}} for "first appearance as...". See here for a full list.

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  Didn't know that. I'm still trying to get accustomed to the differences in those templates from the Marvel wiki. Thanks.
  
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