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JSA: The Golden Age PicsEdit

Can you get any other scans of characters from the JSA: The Golden Age mini-series to put into the bios files? thanks (VicGeorge2K9 13:56, May 17, 2010 (UTC))

Sure, no problem. I'm a like a more cool and awesome version of the scantron that does not prevent you from getting into college. I'll look through the pages and see which characters need it. Anytime you ever want me to go through a book and scan something for you, don't hesitate to ask.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 14:58, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Main Page Character Accents Edit

Beautiful! Very well done! We need to update our dudes on the Marvel side as soon as we're done promoting Iron Man 2. The bit you were missing was on MediaWiki:Monaco.js, all you had to do was switch the 'Batman' and 'Superman' there. Still, awesome job! :)

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 04:04, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

"Adopted" Elseworlds and stuffEdit

In light on the recent article attacks on the disambiguation pages, I've got some questions about how to properly disambiguate Elseworlds that have been "adopted" into the 52 Multiverse. You see, WildStorm has everything called "(Earth-50)", but the other miniseries and elseworlds stories are a mixed bag. Earth-19, Earth-21, Earth-22, Earth-31 and Earth-32 all have some under the "Character (Earth-N)", and some under "Character (Miniseries/Elseworlds name)". Shouldn't there be a bit more consistency?

Also, something else: I haven't read either "JLA: The Nail" or "Another Nail". Do they share continuity? -- Tupka217 14:35, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

This is the subject of a debate that has nearly torn the community apart. We have literally been arguing about this for years on the forums. I could point out the discussion boards if you ever want to flip through them. I always took the position that we should use the Elseworlds designations... i.e. Kal-L (Red Son) instead of Kal-L (Earth-30). It's also been a big deal with the Tangent characters. But that's controversial. Right now, the policy is that if they have a 52 designation we're using it... but we're considering the characters in their entirety. That means none of that crap about making distinctions between the elseworlds versions and the 52 versions and having them on separate pages. Where there are noticeable differences, we write down the differences on that single page. I don't know, what's your opinion? Do you have a preference? and yeah, Another Nail is the sequel to The Nail. we're inconsistent on the nailverse because we have yet to come up with a good naming convention for that whole thing.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:50, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
I figured there'd be earlier questions about this... I personally prefer "Earth-N", since it's been confirmed in several DC Nations that those Elseworlds are the 52-Earths.
But unrelated to that, shouldn't Bruce Wayne (Batman: The Dark Knight Returns) at least be moved to Bruce Wayne (Earth-DKR)? -- Tupka217 06:43, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
The counter-argument is that some of them are incompatible. For example, the Superman of Dark Knight Returns is killed in Countdown: Arena prior to his appearance in Dark Knight Strikes Again. But yeah... we should move all of those articles over to Earth-31 pretty much.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Stanley And His Monster Edit

Thanks for doing Stanley And His Monster/Covers. One of my favorites! Goblyn4evil 20:06, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Bruce Thomas WayneEdit

Are you aware that Batman from the animated DCU is named Bruce Thomas Wayne on this site? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wazzirving (talk • contribs).


Butting in since I added the full name to Bruce Wayne (DCAU): his full name is given in Batman Adventures (Volume 2) #14. -- Tupka217 18:05, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Fan ficEdit

You probably missed this one in the recent changes: Clark Kent (Earth-14). Can you delete it? -- Tupka217 11:46, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. The intention was innocent though and he seems like a nice enough guy so I sent him a link to the DC fanon wiki instead.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:36, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

New Earth -> Earth-Prime bot stuff finished Edit

What next? --Profzoom 05:28, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Lois Lane Edit

You added Lois Lane (Earth-Teen Titans) to the Lois Lane disambig page. I've been going over my collection (missing about 15 issues, so I could have missed something) but I couldn't find her. What issue does she appear in? -- Tupka217 09:38, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's issue #21. If you don't have that, I do, and I can find the picture, it's just on my other computer.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:19, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Absolute CrisisEdit

I'm sorry but i'm afraid that do not possess a copy of Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths

However, you can look up Earth designations Here and "http://www.marvunapp.com/master/earthteaz.htm#numbered"

Marvel and DC editor, , 23:50, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'll butt in here; I've got a copy of Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths, you said you needed help with page moving? (I can't respond for the next, oh, 14-15 hours after this post, but I'm free afterward). Firebird 14:39, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
Don't need help with the moving just yet, only figuring out what needs to be moved. Supposedly it contains some sort of holy grail manual to the multiverse, that may or may not be reliable and may or may not be canon. Is there any way that you could post up a listing of the Pre-Crisis multiverse worlds it establishes?
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:03, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
I can write them down and send the list to you via e-mail or something, but I don't know how long it'll take; I can't scan the pages since my scanner's not working atm. Firebird 05:59, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Broken categoriesEdit

I don't know who's the tech/maintinence guy for this wiki, but you seem to be the de facto leader, so; some of the categories - Category:Red Hair and Category:Auburn Hair are the ones I'm particularly concerned with (and for some reason I cannot Wikiword them without categorization coming in, ugh) - are messed up; the first few names are sorted alphabetically just fine, but once it hits a point, it loses arrangement cohesion and the names are scattered randomly. It's been happening for a while now, I hadn't brought it up until now because I thought it would fix itself, but it hasn't. Firebird 14:39, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Linking categories requires a semi-colon at the front for some reason if you don't want it to categorize. I'll bring this up on the forums.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:03, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Problem solved, thanks to Nathan once again. Should be good once the server parses through.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:26, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Orion image Edit

Re the Orion image, I just felt it would be useful to have an image of him in the gallery that displayed his alternative costume. But, by now I guess I'm used to being the only person on the planet who actually liked it...Tony ingram 21:06, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with that costume, I uploaded a different image of it. In general we prefer to use virgin or interior images rather than cover art for character galleries, though. It's not really a rule, it just looks nicer.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:15, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, that one is better. Yes, that makes sense. Tony ingram 08:03, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Administrator Edit

I'm flatter to be voted as administrator, but I think I have enough responsibilities (especially on other wikis). So no thanks.

Oh, my user alias is meant to shorten as 'Dragon Yen,' but you can call me Fil (as in Phil, short for Filbert).--Drgyen 07:35, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's no problem at all. We were just discussing people who we thought might be capable, and you've been with us for a very long time.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 11:16, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Other MediaEdit

May as well ask why there is not a "In Other Media" thing on Batman's page like there is on the rest of wikipedia. Does it hvae to be more complex than the simple one I typed up? If so, I can totally do that!

I'm sorry for the confusion, I should've explained in the edit summary. We do have one, you just weren't looking in the right place. Batman (Bruce Wayne) is our history of the main character in modern continuity. Batman is our more general article that has all of the different versions, and already has a section on other media here. (also, we're not wikipedia)
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:11, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Impact Stuff Edit

Hey, thanks for the work you're doing on the Impact pages. I've been trying to add some characters & summaries, etc. Your character details are awesome, great pics too.

I've seen WEB agent Rad Styles/Stiles spelled both ways in the comics. It looks like you've seen the Who's Who pages. What's his correct name?

Tictoc77 21:26, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

I only just realized how badly it needed documenting, I love these stories. Thank you. You've been doing great work too. I put up all of the real names in the Who's Who pages. They list him as Radcliffe Stiles.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:30, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks, I'll get Rad started. I thought the first year of Impact stuff was really awesome...they certainly put some top notch talent on those books. I especially liked the Jaguar title. Maybe all of these versions will pop up on some Earth in some multiverse, some day!

Thanks again.... Tictoc77 21:41, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Moves and such Edit

No problem, I'll try to get to them asap. I'm working on a preliminary background for the new skin coming out from Wikia. Do you have any other main hero images you'd like to incorporate below Supes and Batty-Boy?

Point me to the images you'd like to see. I've started to use artist-specific themes on Marvel, with Marko Djvurek? as the first one. It's kind of nice when all the characters are drawn the same way. Maybe Alex Ross' characters would work well on the background?

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 05:44, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

That's awesome! I will definitely get to work on looking through images. Probably not going to go with Alex Ross though because he's so cliche. I'm going to say that Wonder Woman definitely needs to be on there... as do Green Lantern and the Flash, at the very least. I have a question... would it be at all possible for us to make multiple skins and have different ones show up at random? Like we could do different artist themes, or one that's all villains...
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:54, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm. I can't say it's impossible, but would probably come down to some javascript rotating the image linked there. It'd likely be controlled by pageload, meaning you wouldn't get a different background unless you completely reloaded the page.
It's much more likely (and easier) for you guys to create new backgrounds on a routine basis, and change them out whenever you're feeling frisky. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 21:36, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Moves Edit

So all the moves you requested are done, save one.

So according to my bot, the Renegades page has a move tag with "Renegades (New Earth)" as the new name. So it's not the right pointer, and the page already exists. Are you sure what you had listed above is what you want? If so, we need to make sure the Renegades page has a move tag with "Renegades (25th Century)" on it, and the Renegades (Earth-One) has a move tag with "Renegades (New Earth)" on it. We also need to make sure neither "Renegades (25th Century)" and "Renegades (New Earth)" already exist.

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 03:20, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed this. Take care of it whenever you have the time.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:41, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

re: wiki changes? Edit

Hi Billy. Are the admins on the DC site planning to follow suit with implementing XBox Achievement style awards like the admins have done at the Marvel site? I really dislike it. Actually, I could use some very foul language to tell you how I really feel but I see no point in stinking up the air. I see that the DC site hasn't implemented it yet, so I don't know if that means the admins here are of different opinions than the admins at the Marvel wiki or that it simply hasn't been implemented so far.

Darkseid01 15:37, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about, so my guess would be no.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:28, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
We voted on it in the forums, and there was just a little bit more 'for' than 'against' in this case. They can mostly be ignored and don't effect your edit count... :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 05:16, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Cluemaster Edit

Uh, sir? Hi, I'm new here, and I think that I accidentally screwed up the page on Arthur Brown, the Cluemaster. Could you please help me with that? Thanks.

SeattleDude15

Don't worry about it, no problem. I made the same mistake myself several times when I was first getting started on the site. There was a broken link in the text and that screwed up the code in the template. All better now.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:38, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

JLA/Avengers/JLAEdit

Should you get to issue #4:

For one panel, but they're there. Also, Card Scooter (should I ever get around to make that one) for the Vehicles section. -- Tupka217 22:11, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha, thank you. Yeah, me and a Marvel admin are teaming up to get through the series.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:51, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

. Bronx72 07:18, October 13, 2010 (UTC)bronx72

Batman main imageEdit

dude the reason you have to change the pick for batman to the Batman_0175.jpg is because bruce isn't wearing no more that outfit because is dick's now

The article is supposed to provide a look at the character from a historical perspective, not just whatever he happens to be doing this week. The image we use is the most well-recognized costume... this is for the same reason we didn't change all of his main information to "Insider" stuff during the month that Road Home came out. Or the same reason that when characters die, we don't change their main image to a corpse. It's misleading. The image of his new costume should be in the history section where he starts wearing it.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:11, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Change Bruce's Bio pic Edit

The header pretty much says it all. He hasn't worn that suit in a while. He is now operating in a new outfit and the newcomers to Batman lore won't understand seeing a different suit when they check the bio.Wazzirving 20:39, November 24, 2010 (UTC)wazzirving

Hey, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I've had a lot of stuff going on in my personal life lately. First of all... by that logic, wouldn't changing it also alienate all new readers who start anywhere along his 70-year publication history other than the past month? A lot of people get in through trades before randomly picking up the monthly single issues. Second of all, our policy is to go with an image of the character's most classic appearance... and in this case, there's not that much of a big difference in the costumes anyway.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 09:17, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Teen Titans: Robin Edit

Thank you for that. I've asked around and everyone says that Jason was never on the team. I know quite a bit about Batman, but I don't get into any of the superhero team books. That makes it a little hard in DC after they have a crisis and one Robin book to the next, Tim has a completely different suit, Dick lives in Manhattan, or Bruce is dead. I consider those "side books", but I try to acquire, what I consider, important issues involving Bruce, Dick, Jason, and Tim.Wazzirving 01:19, November 25, 2010 (UTC)wazzirving

Batman Edit

I'm getting that you don't want anything added to Bruce that you or Tupka didn't add yourselves? Is that the case or is this a misunderstanding?Wazzirving 13:28, November 26, 2010 (UTC)wazzirving

That's definitely not the case, it's just complicated building an article that large. This site couldn't exist without the community working together. Your recent edits might have gotten overlooked in a recent overhaul, I had the page open for several hours that day while I was making a massive edit. The thing is... people have a tendency to over-complicate things on the big articles, and we're very watchful of that because when it's not monitored at all they get out of control. It's important to keep things concise and mention all of the important details but not get too cluttered down with all of the trivial minutiae. There's a place for that, and we link to comics and storylines throughout the entire page so that people can get the bigger picture on every little detail. But on the character page itself, things are a lot cleaner and easier to understand when we talk about the really important points of a story like Batman: The Long Halloween and then let the actual page for the storyline mention every last detail that happened inside. For example, the Superman (Clark Kent) page is a mess right now because that hasn't been kept under control in the most recent issues. That's why I was making that big edit to clean up the page.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 09:17, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thank You Edit

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure now we'll work this out.Wazzirving 12:44, November 27, 2010 (UTC)wazzirving

Hi Mrblonde267, I just want to say thanks for restoring the lana pic gallery. I was trying to add some pic, when I accidentally deleted it. I was trying to restore it and failing miserably, when you did it in like 2 second (lol. I'm not very good at all this stuff yet, but I'm learning quick and soon I hope to kick butt at it.I was also hoping that you could tell how you reverse the edit, so that if I make a mistake( Hopefully not) I can correct it. Once again Thanks alot.--Superlana 18:35, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Batman Edit

moved from Template talk:Batman

Ok Mrblonde267, I just want you to know that I just want to put in a few changes to fit in with some parts of Batman's biography. I know you don't agree, but I just want to know that if I can put them in and you can agree. Signed, Frank Russo. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frankrusso (talk • contribs).


Green Lantern trailer Edit

Hey have you or anyone else considered putting up the Green Lantern trailer on the main page? That'd look cool! Also, is there a specific reason the main page is locked (not that I was going to add in the trailer myself)? It seems vandalism, if any, can just easily be undone, so no biggie. On the MArvel side, we've had our main page open to edit for a few months now, and we've had no problems since. We also have the Thor trailer up, and thats actually what made me think of Green Lantern. Let me know what you decide. Thanks. --Johnnybravo44 (talk) 17:30, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Green Arrow Volume 4 Cover Images Help Edit

Hi Billy been a while since I've talked with you hope you had a good Holidays and New Years. I was wondering if you could possible help me out with finding 3-Green Arrow (Volume 4) from the current series written by J.T. Krul for my Green Arrow Wiki Site. The first image I'm looking for is a Green Arrow #5 Variant Cover drawn by Gary Frank I have the official version of the cover on the site already but what I'm looking for is the teaser version of the cover basically without the title and everything that normally appears on a official cover. The other two covers I'm looking for are official Variant Covers for Green Arrow #6 and Green Arrow #7. I know there is a Green Arrow #6 Variant Cover Image currently at the DC Database site but it looks way to dark if you could find a clear looking one that would be awsome. With the Green Arrow #7 I'm looking for the Variant Cover as well if you could help me find it that would be awsome. Overall I been have trouble finding these Variant Cover Images for Green Arrow (Volume 4) if you could help me out that would be great. An if you find them and upload them on the Green Arrow Wiki Site that would awsome and a big help. Oh well talk to you later.

From Rod12

Image Needed/Wanted CategoriesEdit

Took care of DCAU and BTBATB for you. Another question: these last few days, I've been going through Special:WantedCategories. Two problems arose: what to do with "Glossary:Space Ship/Appearances" and "Glossary:Henchman/Appearances"? Unlink? Create? Also, I haven't been able to find a way to categorize images by movie, and my upload benders did result in a couple of them being high on the list. Any idea? -- Tupka217 21:56, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Converting the "Executive Editor" section: Jenette Kahn to Mike CarlinEdit

Currently, I'm switching the Executive Editor section from Jenette Kahn to Mike Carlin for the issues published from July 1996 (the first time that Carlin was credited as EE for DC) to May 2003 (the last time), based on the Green Lantern comic collection that I downloaded two years ago. Since it's going to take a lot of work, I was wondering if someone can build a bot that will do this en masse? Of course, I'm aware that there are limitations (e.g., Karen Berger was the EE for Vertigo, Jim Lee for Wildstorm, etc.). DuoDeathscyther02 08:22, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

The last time we built a bot for this it was for Dick Giordano, same problem, and it screwed up all of the Bergers and McDuffies. I would suggest talking to Nathan, as he is our resident code guy and I am more of a content editor. Make sure you mention the exceptions, though.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:13, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
I'll try doing that. DuoDeathscyther02 01:36, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

"Error: String exceeds 1,000 character limit" Edit

Lately this message has been showing up on a lot of the articles, and all of the issue articles (or at least the ones that haven't been done manually) seem to be stripped of their characters and creators categories. Any idea what the deal is? It's emptied out a lot of categories.J'onn J'onzz 05:16, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wikia changed some important code. We're talking through it on the forums.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 11:57, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

This might be vandalism Edit

Possible vandalism. I don't read a lot of DC comics, so I'm not sure if Santa Claus is actually in any of them, but it seems sort of odd. In the Larfleeze article a new user adding something that sounds a bit out of place. [1] Not sure who to ask about that. You are the first administrator on the list, so I thought I'd just post this here. Since the person has made few contributions, I'm thinking it might just be a prank. Dream Focus 23:09, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

JSA Recommended Reading Edit

I am extremely annoyed that everything I personally recommended on the JSA Recommended Reading page, which I actually bothered to create, has been actually removed, as though my critical faculties are so out of step with current thinking as to be worthless. Particularly since half the stuff now on that list is stuff that I personally do not consider to meet the same 'standards of quality' as the material removed. I would like my recommendations reinstated or I would like my text deleted from the page. I don't really care which. Tony ingram 09:03, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I seem to be being touchy, but I was really offended by this. Adding to the list would have been fine, but removing from it, to me, is simply saying that my tastes are out of step with modern thinking. And if that's the case, there's little point in my being involved with the community side of things at all. A story does not need to have been published within the last twenty years in order to be good, and I was interested in recommending what I consider to be good stories which give an understanding of the characters, to new readers. Tony ingram 09:36, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hey... I didn't delete your recommendations from the list, I just reworked it and reorganized it. Everything you recommended is still on the page, I just thought it needed to be presented differently. I wasn't taking an issue with your recommendations... they're all great comics, I don't disagree with you at all. I wasn't insulting your taste, it's just that the purpose of these articles is to help newer readers get into the teams and Golden Age comics can be kind of intimidating. I didn't remove them, I just bumped them down to suggested further reading for people who wanted more of a background on the characters rather than someone who was looking to get in step with the JSA as they are today. The only discrepancy I had wasn't with what I would recommend to another person... I personally could spend all day pouring over those early JSA classics, and have been at my leisure lately... it was with what I would recommend a new reader to pick up first having never read any JSA before. It's easier to get into the swing of the team with something a little bit more contemporary and focused on characterization.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 10:14, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Oh... it occurs to me that I did drop Crisis on Multiple Earths while I was moving things around. Personally I've always found those stories a little dry, and I prefer the forties' comics, but I would have no problem putting them back if you think they should be included.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 10:14, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see how any recommended reading involving JSA can or should omit the stories that brought them into the modern era-particularly Crisis on Earth-One/Earth-Two. You see them as dry? I see them as tremenduously imaginative and fun. That's kind of what got my back up. Removing articles from the list rather than simply adding to it (and removing the descriptions I'd given to the stuff you bumped down, thereby marginalizing it) just seemed to me to be implying that that material is of less value because it isn't to your personal taste. If you'd simply added to it, fine. But removing material, and removing the specific TPBs which collect the Silver Age/70s stuff and are easy for new readers to find (like the Multiple Earths trades and Justice Society (trade paperback) Vol 1), I have an issue with. When I was getting into comics, I loved the reprints of GA stuff in the back of the eighty page JLA Etc because they were a window on the characters pasts. I don't believe that the current generation is any less interested. Tony ingram 10:35, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Just finished writing up descriptions on the rest of the items on the list, didn't mean to marginalize, just wanted everything in the same voice and hadn't quite gotten around to it last night.
I completely agree with you that no list of recommendations would be complete without those stories, I think they're fascinating and essential to the characters... my only disagreement was that they're not the first thing I would hand to someone who was only just getting into comics and deciding whether or not they want to read contemporary Justice Society stories. I'm not saying better or worse objective storytelling quality, just that if someone is completely unfamiliar with the JSA and wants to know what the fuss is about they're going to get a better feel for the characters picking up a cheap trade from a contemporary storyline with a good jumping-on point like JSA: Justice be Done than they would blowing $100 on the first two volumes of All-Star Comics Archives. That's why I put them in further reading instead of new readers.
I recognize that these pages are subjective by nature, so there's probably always going to be at least a minor degree of dispute... personally I wouldn't particularly recommend a lot of the early Crisis team-ups, but you would, and that's fine... if you strongly disagree, I'm not at all going to fight you on that point. Feel free to put them back on the list. I didn't realize you would get offended.
That being said... isn't including the Justice Society collected edition and the archive editions a little redundant, given that those stories are both already listed as All-Star Comics on the page? If someone is interested in those stories, the collected editions are listed neatly as such.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 11:59, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I just thought it would make them easier to find. It is a recommended reading list, and the Justice Society TPB is a lot cheaper and easier for a newer reader to get hold of than All-Star #58-67 and DC Special #29. As far as the rest goes, I was probably being a little touchy. I'm glad you added in JSA: The Golden Age, I'd completely forgotten that yesterday and it's definitely one of the better more modern JSA stories. Tony ingram 13:00, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Editing helpEdit

Hi. I'm a little new to the wiki, and I was wondering how I would add a reference. I've already left messages for editors only on a couple of pages saying that I'd like to reference things, but I don't know how. Ivy12 15:30, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hi. You said that I could ask if I needed help with anything else, so how do you write solo appearances? Ivy12 23:20, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, could you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:13, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Editing D'amsi Page (Dakotaverse) Edit

MrBlonde267:

Recently, I made some edits to the D'amsi entry in the Dakotaverse section. Then, I realized that the entry listed them as an alien race when they are in fact a team like the Green Lantern Corps.

Is there a way to change the template of the page to reflect this?

Thanks in advance

Zeraze1 00:53, March 26, 2011 (UTC)zeraze1

re: the apn template Edit

Hi Billy. Is there anyone else here that I need to have onboard if I start making chrono links on the Bats and Supes issues? I got complaints from a couple of the Marvel admins who didn't understand why I was spending hours making quick edits. I'd rather not ruffle feathers here unnecessarily if I don't have to.

Darkseid01 18:10, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Flash Comics problem Edit

While looking up some info on a character earlier, I noticed that the page for Flash Comics #71 had the Golden Age Hawkman listed as Katar Hol rather than Carter Hall-and further inspection shows that the mistake seems to appear in several issues, possibly even all of them (I haven't looked through 104 pages to check). Is there any way for this erroneous info to be removed without having to go through all 104 issues changing it manually? I've already had to change 'Katar Hol' to 'Carter Hall' in several All-Star Squadron entries, and I suspect there may be more. Tony ingram 14:46, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Heads Up Edit

I'm going to start the Bot going through your comic pages tonight, adding the appearing templates that we have on Marvel. It's not a perfect program, so while I am hopeful there will be no real problems as it goes through all 30k comic pages, I'm also realistic in that I know there will surely be problems. (There were ones on Marvel which I was able to successfully program around, but I'm sure you guys have a few different issues and setups here).

One thing to look for in the coming days is the Wanted Categories Special Page. The templates I'm installing and the Bot is putting in essentially create the Appearing categories we had before one at a time, but if they're used incorrectly, ie, around links like [[1987]] and [[Superman Vol 1]], it's going to create Categories like 1987/Appearances and Superman Vol 1/Appearances. This was specifically an issue in our Recommended Reading, Notes, and Trivia Sections, so keep an eye out for those.

I can't create a perfect program due to the fact that there are just too many variables in this transition, but the idea is that the Bot does the grunt work and the users do general cleanup.

Thanks for being so patient, and please let me know immediately via email if something is going catestrophically wrong. I'll be checking the bot from time to time, but it will probably be on autopilot for the majority of the changes over the next few days.

I'm sorry it's taken me this long. :)

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 05:33, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I've found that you guys have more Comic Appearance Templates than we do. Maybe you guys could help me out and change all the templates over to the new method?
There's basically three types of these templates:
  1. The nothing style, which is the 'A' Template, showing nothing after the end.
  2. The '1st' style, which shows a standard blurb after the end.
  3. The '1stas' style, which shows a blurb that can be modified at the end.
It's pretty easy, just use these three templates as, well, templates, and determine how the other Comic Appearance Templates work. If they are just standard blurb, copy the 1st template and paste it in there, changing the standard blurb accordingly. If they are a modified blurb, copy the 1stas template and paste it in there, changing the modified blurb accordingly, leaving the {{{2|}}}'s wherever you want the modified bit to show up.
If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks for the assist! :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 06:38, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe. The reason we decided to go this direction on the Marvel side is so that in the future, we can further categorize all appearances by the specific type. So if we want to know a character's first appearance, it's easy to find if it's using the 1st template surrounding the link to their name. The intent is to be able to further sort out what kind of appearance each one is, so that we could sort the appearances by type as well. Say you wanted to know all the appearances of Spider-Man where he was only shown and didn't say anything. You could potentially filter out all appearances with the exception of the Cameo template appearances.
While we don't have the code set up for this yet, it was one of the ideas/reasons we decided to go this direction in the first place. If you guys elect not to use the Appearance Templates this way, we'd essentially be just using the A Template around every link in the appearing sections, and there'd be no ability to do this in the future. (It hasn't actually been tested, so it's possible it might not work anyway).
So I suppose it's up to you guys. I can change the bot implementation code to leave the Appearance templates out of it, or we can slowly work on converting all your Appearance Templates.
Let me know what you'd like to do.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 15:27, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Image Needed Edit

Just letting you know that I'm off the image hunt for a while. After the E was done I had planned to work on the F, but I've lost the urge. It's highly addictive, and has been dominating my life. I haven't thought about buying comics for three weeks in a row... good luck on the A's. If you need any specific help - animation, Dakotaverse or Johnny DC or something - let me know. I'm either going to clean up the Pantheons or Amalgam next, not sure yet. -- Tupka217 13:26, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hahaha, that is totally OK... thank you very much for the hard work you've put into it. I'm excited that we've almost cleared the 3,000 mark. You've been doing a lot of awesome work lately. To be honest I've mostly been on this so much because I've gotten addicted to HBO television series' on DVD and I need something mechanical so I can multitask.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 13:33, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Forum Edit

I know I should be asking Nate, but do you know what's up with the forum, and when will it be fixed? -- Tupka217 20:00, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I've been wondering that, too. Tony ingram 20:31, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

No idea, sorry guys... they're hosted by Jamie Hari, he's the one who would know if anything.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:02, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
They're back up, FYI. It was a server host issue, so Jamie called and complained and they eventually fixed it. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 16:15, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Aquaman and such Edit

Hey Billy, I've been working on wikifying the Adventure Comics series (I started with the As), and I've run into some problems with the appearances of Aquaman.

Aquaman appears in most of the issues, but there's some confusion as to when he stops being Arthur Curry (Earth-Two), and starts being Orin (New Earth).

Now, here's the problem. I've read that Aquaman switches FROM Earth-Two designation to something else with Adventure Comics Vol 1 215 (because of something to do with the colour of his gloves). So, I'd use that as my starting point, but I don't know what to change it to. Should it be Orin (New Earth), or some Earth-One version? (We don't have a page for an Earth-One Aquaman, by the way). So...

I guess I'm just wondering if you can clear up which is which for me... Or find me someone who can.

Thanks
- Hatebunny 21:45, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

That would be 'Arthur Curry (Earth-Two)'. The Earth-Two Aquaman had yellow gloves, the Earth-One version green gloves (though there's a period of a few months when the gloves vary in colour from yellow to green before settling on green, so there's not a direct switchover, Adventure #215 is the first appearance of the green gloved version. Since there's no real continuity between the individual stories at that point, it can be assumed that we're seeing stories of both Aquamen) Tony ingram 07:24, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the response, Tony. So, if they're indistinguishable, would it make sense to keep calling him the Earth-Two version until things switch to Post-Crisis? Or would it make sense to say every issue with green gloves is Earth-One? Like I said, there is no Earth-One Aquaman character page on the database, so I wouldn't know what to do anything. I would think that Orin (New Earth) shouldn't be entered anywhere pre-crisis, but I may be wrong. - Hatebunny 13:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

No, the Earth-Two Aquaman is not the green gloved one who later goes on to appear in JLA. That's the Earth-One version, who is effectively the same character as the New Earth version. Basically, if it's before Adventure #215 or if it's one of the fairly few stories after that featuring the yellow gloved version, it's Earth-Two (the Earth-Two Aquaman later resurfaced and was confirmed as such in All-Star Squadron #60). Otherwise,it's not. The name 'Orin' wasn't actually used until post-Crisis, but it is currently being used as the designation for all of Aquaman's Earth-One appearances simply because the current version is basically the same character (much as Alan Scott (New Earth) is the same character who previously existed on Earth-Two). There's only really a need for a separate Earth-One character if their history is significantly different from the New Earth version. So, there are separate entries for the Earth-One and New Earth versions of Superman and Wonder Woman, for instance, but not for Barry Allen or Hal Jordan, because they weren't significantly rebooted post-Crisis. And neither was Aquaman, despite a revised origin. I'd say, stick with Orin (New Earth) for all of the Earth-One (ie green gloved) appearances, rather than get hung up about the name and create a new entry. Tony ingram 14:49, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Appearance Categories by Size Edit

Fixed up this little category for you. Check out the link to more than 500 appearances, and you can see the most appearing characters starting at the end and working your way backwards. :)

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 16:17, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Stuff Edit

Hey Billy!

Thanks for the info, I'll check out those Template:C errors and see what I can do about them. I'm sure I can make it back to the way you prefer to have them displayed. (Or even different, depending on how you'd like to see them).

I've been neglecting the DC side of things for far too long. I'd like to get in here and help you guys grow and have all of the whamma-dine stuff I developed for Marvel, DC style. So I hope to be able to update a lot of stuff over here and break as little as possible. But please let me know where you see errors. I'll also be having a bot or two run through a bunch of things to help clear it all up, primarily on the Image Template, but possibly elsewhere. Again, if you run into anything jacked up, just let me know about it and I'll get it fixed.

As for the disambig template, I've been working on a new one on the marvel side, but haven't yet touched the main description area. The main request over there was to have the availability of having multiple main characters on one disambiguation page. Would that be something of interest to you? I'll work on the text-wrapping problem regardless. I noticed on Batgirl's page, you guys still are using the A I G Q links. While I know that an experienced user understands these things, most newb's get confused by it. Would you be willing to leave them out or have an alternate method of getting to them?

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 22:33, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


Okay, since the c template is going to be adding the italics where necessary in the future, I'm going to have a bot go through and remove the extra italics surrounding the c template uses. All you guys have to do is remember not to use them anymore.
Then, I'll be changing the results of the c template to the format you guys prefer (TITLE (Volume #) #), which I thought was the was it was previously setup, but doesn't look that way.
I've also begun work on the top part of the Disambiguation template, so I hope to have the final version of that thing for you here soon.
Holler if I break something. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 23:06, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Comic link formats Edit

Hey Billy,

I commented out the bolding of each link so that it more closely matches the links in the section you showed me. I left the italicized part of the links because that's the standard method of referencing a book, with the title italicized and everything else normal font.

I'd still like to have a big meeting with all the admins on both sites to help decide one unified use of this thing, so that it's both easy to update on both sides, and adds a level of consistency for users of both sites. The forums just take so long to hash these things out! :)

Thanks for your patience, let me know if I can fix anything else while I'm fixing the other templates.

— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Cassandra Cain (DCAU) Edit

Actually, it's a point of much discussion whether that actually is Cassandra, as opposed to "just a blackhaired girl". In fact, adding it to the other place without citing a source for "Bruce Timm totally said that" gets you a ban. It's been on wikipedia for ages, but no-one's actually found out where Bruce Timm totally said that. -- Tupka217 16:10, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

I figured why not just add it and slap the conjecture template onto the actual page. I mean, the image is clearly supposed to be showing members of the Batman Family... it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they would have three popular recognizable characters out of four and then just some random made-up girl. I can definitely see where the dispute would be, but that's why we have the conjecture template. It's at least worth having a page to denote the controversiality of the cameo.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:41, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Image needed Edit

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ProfanityEdit

When Tupka217 warned me a month ago, he used the phrase gtfo. That is profanity, even whwn warning a user.--1966batfan 22:58, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Fuck, really? I'll talk to that asshole. That shit's not allowed here.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:35, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Help with page creation Edit

Could you help me create the page Priscilla Rich (Earth-One)? She is the Cheetah, like her Earth-Two counterpart of the same name and made her first appearance in Wonder Woman Vol 1 160. I however, don't know how to use the page creation template.--1966batfan 18:10, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Bumping two-year old blogs Edit

You don't happen to be fishing for badges now, would you? ;) -- Tupka217 19:28, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hahahaha. I was looking through them and I realized that I'd never even seen most of these... I wasn't aware people actually used the blog functions on this site at all. I'm having a sort of slow day at home, so I thought I'd take an hour out of my time and actually customize these things. I'm having varying levels of success, the automatic cropping is weird.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:03, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
The temptation is strong! There haven't been many recent blog posts... apart from the ones that were made because people are fishing for badges... (Also, I dig the new Johnny Public badge).
- Hatebunny 20:06, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
Anything to replace the Wiki Planner Badge? I have like 30 of them, I want my page to look less blue. -- Tupka217 20:13, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Replacing images Edit

Do we have a policy for when there's a low quality image on a page, and we have a better one, and we want to replace it? Do we just upload the new version, link it up, and let the old version float around on the servers? Is there a special process? Is replacing low quality images uncool and passé?!

- Hatebunny 20:08, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
Tag the old ones with {{delete}}. -- Tupka217 20:13, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
Woah there, Billy, I tagged the old low-res cover of Batman: Shadow of the Bat #20 for deletion, uploaded a nicer version, and linked it to the comic. Aaand it appears that by renaming my new file with the same name as the old file, the site has decided to show the old file instead of the new one. Is that the server's cache needing to be emptied, or did you mean to do that?
- Hatebunny 01:02, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
It's definitely a cache thing. Sometimes it corrects instantaneously, sometimes it'll take a day or two. I was just putting your new file at the old name, not trying to get rid of it. I didn't realize that only admins could reupload new images under old names, I wonder when that started... I can only remember having a problem with people using that for stupidity or vandalism once or twice in the five years I've been here, so it seems like something silly to institute.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:26, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Custom badges Edit

I'm noticing a lot of Batman supporting cast badges. Why no WW? Supes? GLs? (Kyle Rayner would do good for the Decorator badge) And please make the wiki planner badge a pretty woman, I have to look at it 38 times. -- Tupka217 22:36, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Jimmy Olsen for the Paparazzi badge, perhaps? - Hatebunny 01:29, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Olsen already has one.--1966batfan 02:20, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

should they make a marvel vs dc game? Edit

shoould they mkae a marvel vs dc video game? since they are comics books foesTeddybearlover 23:41, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Doomnaut Edit

Blame User:DC and Marvel editor. He mad a lot of amalgam articles with made-up (or poorly researched) real names. Remember "Anne Marie Reynolds" that debuted in Amalgam years before the name "Anne-Marie" was ever used in comics?

Anyway, when I encountered them, I just moved them without discussion. -- Tupka217 20:21, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, good to know. Thank you.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:23, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Flash Comics Miniature Edit

Actually, the comics does exist. It's the 1940s Wheaties giveaway Flash Comics Miniature Edition (no number, no date). But it should be "Dmane (Earth-Two)" anyway. See also Raven (Earth-Two) -- Tupka217 07:06, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay. That would explain why I couldn't find it here or on the Grand Comics Database. The overwhelming majority of pages in the Image Needed category were made by that guy who created a page for every one-shot super-villain ever without really adding any information on them, and a couple of them have turned out to be just impossible to find or even non-existent because we don't know where this guy got his information from, so I've deleted a couple with the logic that if anybody actually does dig up information on them they can restore it then... until then, we don't have any information or a confirmation anyway. That's good to know though. Also, I assume you've noticed, but how cool is it that we're almost down to triple digits?
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 07:13, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. I couldn't get the V empty because Vacuum Master (Earth-S)'s only appearance hasn't been scanned yet. Same for the currently first Bat (Earth-X).
They're mostly answerguy, who made up a lot of first/last names, or, it seems, worked off the DC Indexes, which has a lot of questionable material. (Diane Lindsey? She's only referred to as Diane unless she has more appearances)
Don't worry though, there's still Organization Image Needed and Image Needed. And then we can go through Locations and delete all the non-DC maps and pictures for various real world places. -- Tupka217 07:22, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
You and me, pal. What a magical adventure it's going to be.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 07:34, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Have a good one Edit

Enjoy the summer. --Tupka217 20:59, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Chat Edit

Sorry for what I said to you. However, I'll speak like Jar Jar Binks in every talk page message I put on your and Kyle's talk page if you don't unban me. (Tell me who kickbanned me, and they'll get the Binks impersonations).--1966batfan 07:04, August 28, 2011 (UTC) UNBAN MISSA NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--1966batfan 20:27, August 28, 2011 (UTC) I will not insult other users on chat. I've learned my lesson. Could you please unban me?--1966batfan 21:12, August 31, 2011 (UTC) I feel like chatting right now. Read above and you will see why I should have my ban removed.--1966batfan 02:57, September 1, 2011 (UTC) What sockpuppet? I never created any sockpuppet. I'm trying to protest my ban. I am not a harasser. I was just playing around when I called you "large". I'm sorry. It won't be done again.--1966batfan 19:45, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Superman's Post-Flashpoint History Edit

As we all know, the September relaunch will retcon away Superman's entire history (except for The Death of Superman), so I'm thinking that this will have a major impact on Superman (Clark Kent). So we could A) Make a major overhaul on the article or B) Make an article for the Post-Flashpoint Superman. So what should we do? Leader Vladimir 22:46, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

My opinion is to make a new post-Flashpoint page. Goblyn4evil 21:19, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Message Reply Edit

Alright, listen. I don't want to cause any trouble in the website, it's just that when I write a biography page, I want it to be decently detailed, not just tell the character's involvement in a story in a rather vague way. Leader Vladimir 21:11, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Snapper Edit

Dammit. --Tupka217 21:57, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Achievements Edit

I'm toying with creating a new edit track for "Articles in need of summaries" - mainly to relieve some of the butt-hurt I've been feeling for the fact that I never get achievements because I mostly write summaries. In the process of trying to add something to that effect, I added (but didn't enable) "Synopsis Needed" which, apparently exists, but I don't know where (so that's lying around inconveniently).
Anyway, I know you're the guy who went through and changed all the images and things, so I won't enable the track until I discuss some ideas about it with you.
I also thought it would be nice to come up with a way to make an edit track for creating categories, so that I can stop being butt-hurt about the fact that my work on the Special:WantedCategories page isn't getting me any points either. Couldn't figure it out, though.
On the other hand, I could just suck it up and realize that I'm better suited to being an unsung man-behind-the-curtain, and not get hung up on little circles with pictures of heroes in them... but the points, billy! The points!!! - Hatebunny 02:22, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

none.jpgEdit

Just letting you know, if you come across Green Lantern disambigs with None.jpg, I'm working on them so you don't need to add those. --Tupka217 16:31, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Duly noted good sir. I have no problem ignoring them.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:36, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Aquaman's Trident. Edit

A little help. Are Trident of Neptune and Trident of Poseidon the same item? Trident of Poseidon is Aquaman's, correct? (Anti-Lad 18:43, September 29, 2011 (UTC))

Atlas (Earth-One) Edit

Why does the Greek God Atlas not have his own Earth-One page? Several other "Silver Age Gods" have their proper reality page (see: Aphrodite (Earth-One), Herakles (Earth-One), Hermes (Earth-One), etc). I believe the "Atlas, Titans of Myth" is a Teen Titans connection (First appearance; New Teen Titans Vol 1 11).

Sure, "Atlas (Earth-One)" appears only a few times, but I don't think he's the Titans of Myth version in these issues: Action Comics #121, Action Comics #320 and Action Comics #353. (Anti-Lad 06:18, October 1, 2011 (UTC))

Most of those pages were made in the site's early days... we probably don't need to have two pages for all of the deities, it's more confusing than it's worth. They should be merged. There might have been changes to the way he was depicted Post-Crisis, but they're both portraying the same deity, correct? I don't think that needs multiple pages. Even if there are discrepancies, they're better explained in-universe than having two pages for essentially the same character.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 06:25, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Olympians and Lords of Magic Edit

According to the Trials of Shazam, the entities that provide Shazam with his powers are NOT the Olympians. Instead, they are the Lords of Magic, who only share their names and basic powers with the Olympians. So, should we write articles for them? Leader Vladimir 02:07, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Profile pics Edit

- Billy Arrowsmith, that logic is ignorant and flawed. First allow me to start by stating that I am not insulting your overall intelligence, but your idea of the profile pic is very flawed. You might, or might not, remember me as the guy that was so sure that Bruce's middle name was Thomas, or that tried to tell you to change his main image after Batman Inc. started? On a side-note, I'm beginning to believe that I just saw that Bruce Thomas Wayne thing on a website. That with that fact that all of them have their father's first name as their middle names, but anyway. I am a huge contributor to the Marvel.wikia website, but Batman is my favorite character and highest number of books I own. The reason I do not contribute to his information is because I find your guidelines a bit "dictator-ish". I use the word loosely, but you have said that if you could get a good argument, you would consider.

You say that you want a "historical perspective" of the characters. The best known historical costume for Wayne would be the classic that Adam West, The Batman, Batman: TAS, and countless Superfriends episodes made popular. The costume that you have heading the page was originally used as his sort of year one costume and later reused after the earthquake. Historically, how long was he in the yellow oval bat symbol costume? Then, think, historically, how long he was in the huge black bat symbol costume.

Another thing, Historically, Tim Drake is known as Robin. By your logic, his profile pic should be Robin and it would have to be the long green pants too. How long was he honoring Superboy with the red and black costume? How long has he been know as Red Robin. Historically, of course.

Also, who's perspective? Age factors in also. I am 30 and watched the reruns of Adam West and Burt Ward, while catching every Superfriends episode I could. After that I began to read, a little before Jean-Paul took over. That is why I say the yellow oval is most historically recognized, but what about our children? They would probably relate more with the Arkham Asylum or Batman Begins and TDK suites. Why do you get to decide the "historical perspective" for all of us?

Remember also that this is a wikia website. That would meant that it is a community site and A LOT of people have asked you to change pics to no avail. Also, being that this is a wikia, we don't come here looking for a "historical" view of our characters, we come for up-to-date stuff. We come here because after we went to the official DC.com, we weren't satisfied. There are countless websites that give the old information, but people that know that internet know that wikia, which is associated with wikipedia, in our minds, are the know-it-alls and will have the newest information first.

It also looks tacky, when you think about it. Say the idea out loud that you keep a very old picture of the character, when they open the page, but the new stuff is at the bottom. I have said it before, but when I pick-up a book at my local shop and I want to read more on a character, how beneficial is it to see a pic that doesn't match the one in the book I just picked-up? I might assume it is the wrong character and leave. Now, who have we helped? There is no point in running a website that only makes you happy. Again, I'm not accusing you of doing that directly, but from a different perspective, it could be seen that way. --Wazzirving 22:13, October 19, 2011 (UTC)wazzirving

PS: It is and will be your site, but I was only saying that you should probably adopt a policy that doesn't have as many red flags. If you keep that pic up-to-date, then the only argument would be which pic. There are countless other ways, but it's not my decision.
--Wazzirving 22:50, October 19, 2011 (UTC)wazzirving
I guess it's ultimately a subjective issue... we have that rule to prevent people from assuming that the most recent costume should be the main image, which isn't always the case. For example, Blackest Night changed many characters into Black Lanterns and altered their costumes... but it would be silly to change their pages that way just so they're technically up to date. My point is that the main image CAN be current, but that shouldn't be the only criteria... I would rather have an excellent image from ten years ago than a shitty one from last week.
Your argument about people getting confused when they see a different costume than the one currently on the stands holds true both ways. It's equally confusing for people who pick up back issues or trade paperbacks to research a character who's used one costume for 90% of their publication history and find something entirely different just because it's the most recent. That's why our Green Lantern article doesn't show bomber-jacket Hal just because he recently lost his rank.
I appreciate that multiple people have suggested changing some profile pictures... but we talk about it in the chatroom a lot, and those opinions seem to be a vocal minority. Not to say they shouldn't be considered, but people in favor of the status quo don't need to say so on talk pages.
I would also argue that while some people use the site that way, I don't think it's true of everyone... for example, I'm a new reader to Marvel Comics and I've been getting into it mostly through back issues and collected editions. I find it extremely unhelpful when information about a character is filtered through what's going on in their lives right now... I have no interest in current information because I don't have the context or background to understand it. I find it extremely frustrating when an article tells me what a character is doing right now instead of who they are. I appreciate that not everybody uses the wikis that way, but it's the other side of the coin.
All of those things being said, you bring up a lot of good points. To be honest, I'm not entirely satisfied with the main Tim Drake image either... he's had so many costumes... but the images people were uploading in its place weren't very good, and I didn't want something crappy just because it was slightly more recent. They were unsourced and low-quality. If you show me an image that's as good or better than the current one being used, I will be more than happy to switch in a more contemporary image. We have a huge gallery that I've been working on. Even though we disagree on things, I have a lot of respect for you... I'd be more than happy to talk more about these things if you ever want to stop by Special:Chat.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:29, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
I agree on some points, but still disagree over-all. You were right in stating that it was a "subjective issue", because your thoughts are based-off of opinions. FYI, I was not stating that I had a better, or ultimate idea, I was simply saying that when you use opinion as your base structure, you are destined to have many conflicting opinions and arguments. You saying that changing a character's main image for Blackest Night, was silly, is actually silly to me. I think that nothing is cooler than checking-up on a site and seeing the costume change, even if it was brief. I am logical and understand that if a character only changes for a book, it's work to change it then change it back, but that is a true dedication to the site and the characters on our parts to do that. It shows that we are willing to go above and beyond to update our characters.
I fully agree with you only choosing a good pic. I have had that issue many times on the marvel.wikia, but I believe that should be the only subjective issues we have about the main images. I also don't think that an updated website should consider, for the main image, people that are trying to "go back" with the characters either. I know that was not a strong point in your argument, but you said that a person who picks-up a back issue would be confused. We both know that the only reason to GRAB a back issue, is because you currently know the character and want to see the history. For the other small percent of people, who were GIVEN a back issue and want to look-up the character, they are probably looking for current events of the character and not info on the book in their possession. You said that is was a small minority that voiced the opinion, but we can't simply judge the severity of an issue based-off of the number of people WILLING to stand against it. Fear is the greatest motivator and maybe some people just don't want to ruffle feathers.
I also use the wikias the same as you. I know pretty much everything there is to know about Batman (I say that with confidence even though I couldn't find the source of his middle name) and the X-Men, but so many things happen to Spider-Man, that I find myself having to read his history to fill-in holes. On a side-note, we don't disagree on as much as you think. I appreciate your respect and return it ten-fold, hence why I haven't edited much on the site. I also find myself putting an older pic over a not-so-good updated pic, but the point is that if you start a rule with "I think", it is bound to have issues. I just don't find it logical to have an image rule that states "focuses on a historical perspective". I also know that you didn't write the rule, but at the very least, if we continued to change the main image, we would have new arguments and SOME people would smile.
--Wazzirving 21:25, October 21, 2011 (UTC)wazzirving
PS Due to your level of respect in this issue, I would love to answer any and all questions to the best of my ability concerning Marvel (or Batman for that matter).
PPS The arrogance was me joking.

My superduper great idea proposal: Edit

Our staff pages are for the most part empty, and serve only to provide easy links to the lists of issues or images on which each worked.

My proposal is to reach out to current and past DC staff in order to both improve our staff pages, in addition to building credibility and recognition within the comic book industry as a reliable and accurate knowledge base.

I suggest that we contact DC staff members and offer their staff pages up to them as social media profiles. While we are a wiki first and foremost, allowing staff to assume control of their own information will both increase accuracy and build a professional presence within our community.

In addition to simply filling out their information, and giving them a searchable page full of biographical information, I suggest that we include a new section in the Staff Page template that will be for news and updates.
This new section would not be restricted to DC projects, as some staff may no longer work for DC, or may work for DC sporadically. The social media aspect of the pages would be primarily found in the ability of average users to follow the staff pages.

Any writer, artist, editor, etc that a user is particularly fond of could be followed via the follow button. Users could then opt-in to notifications of when these staff members update their pages with new information.
The staff talk pages (not their user talk pages) could be used for fan questions etc, rather than "is this really her last name?" arguments.

The key thing to note here is that all of those features are already built into the wikia platform. We will not have to do anything apart from optimizing the page layouts for providing information, and attracting staff members to use it.

It would be important to emphasize that there is no pressure to participate in the community beyond updating their own page. We will not beg them to join the chat or participate in interviews or to edit non-staff pages. If they choose to do so, we will treat them cordially, and professionally, without fangasming all over them. We will also enforce a policy as administrators that will have serious consequences for those users who are in some way causing a problem for our contributors - and we would probably do so anyway.

Some formatting would have to be changed on staff pages, and a lot of informing the community of a) our cool idea, and b) their responsibility not to be dipshits.

Cool? Cool. - Hatebunny 19:02, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Page move neededEdit

Hi, re: the Move Log, you seem to be active moving pages right now, wondering if you could help with an issue - the page Star Trek Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 1 1‎‎ needs to be moved to a new title Star Trek/Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 1 1‎‎. -- Captain MKB 14:02, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with this - i'm afraid we have a couple more errors to clear up -- three images have been uploaded in duplicate.
The original images I uploaded a few days ago are:
The new duplications from another user are:
Since there doesn't seem to be any difference in quality, I'd say the original, earlier group should stay, with the later images deleted, although there might be a need to merge differing categories contained therein. -- Captain MKB 21:55, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
Confirm. My bad. I should have looked at the Volume Image Category first. Please, delete the second set of images that I uploaded.

(Anti-Lad 22:02, October 24, 2011 (UTC))

is it possible if you could help me

Some help pleaseEdit

I need some help with getting the page for Teen Titans #2 set up. Also the list for this week's comics have not been set up yet on the main page. -Adv193 03:58, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

I usually update Template:ComicList, but didn't have time this week. --Tupka217 07:06, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Kal-El (Burtonverse) Edit

In Batman and Robin, Batman says "This is why Superman works alone". So he's {{Mentioned Only}}. --Tupka217 09:50, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Johnny Thunder Edit

There's a reason we don't have a picture of him over on dcanimated. He only appeared in that crowd scene in Initiation. The best shot of him is of his back. --Tupka217 12:12, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

billy sleep death stab kill want home
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 12:18, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

This is just a float: Edit

It doesn't seem like Nathan's going to be any less absent from the project in the near future, so I'm going to try to learn how to use a pre-made bot program, so we can pull off some of the stuff that he used to do for us, like giant page moves.
I'm not sure how it will go, and there's no guarantee that if I don't know what I'm doing, I won't mess up a bunch of crud. So, there's a heads up on my plans, but I don't know how well I'll be able to execute them anyway. We really need to find someone who can be our full-time complicated wiki-coder. In the meantime, let's see if I can't scrounge us up a bot. - Hatebunny 16:49, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

I love you for trying. And yeah... to be fair, dude's got a wife and kids.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:59, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
So, in order to get a bot flag, I have to be able to link to a discussion showing that the community agrees with the bot getting a flag and being a bot and all that.
So, take a cursory glance at this: User:RoboBunnybot, and act like you needed to know the information there. And then respond with some kind of affirmative "hooray, a bot is a great idea!" sort of message.
I've fiddled around in the sandbox, and it looks like I can do a massive rename of all [[Alec Holland (New Earth)|Swamp Thing]] to [[Swamp Thing (New Earth)|Swamp Thing]] on every page in Category:Alec Holland (New Earth)/Appearances - which would prevent me from changing appearances of the real Alec Holland (by way of the "|Swamp Thing"). Anyhoo. We discussed all that. So, it would speed things forward on that plan of mine if I could get a bot flag.
- Hatebunny 18:13, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Tiny Titans Phantom zoners Edit

I noticed you've labeled them as Ursa and Non. I called them Faora and Jax-Ur on the issues (they have 4 or so appearances. #43 has better images of them). They've never been named. Which names do we go with? --Tupka217 17:30, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

You're probably right. I realized that you were probably right after I had uploaded and tagged the image. It's been one of about 50 or so open tabs on my computer that need getting to for the past several days. I only published it as disagreeing with what you had put down because I didn't see what you had put down. I'm incompetent.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:29, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Flash's Origin Edit

I'm trying to classify and organize characters according to their origins, but I can't decide how did Barry Allen obtain his powers. Was it through Exposure to Chemicals or Radation or an Accident of Science? Can you help me? Leader Vladimir 05:07, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a little aggrieved that every image I added to the Carter Hall gallery, or indeed to the character page, has been summarily removed. I spent a lot of time on those pages trying to make the gallery in particular representative of the character's entire, lengthy career and the various different looks he'd had so that it was something of a historical document, but all there seems to be now are endless muddy images from the last few years. Am I really that out of step with what the DC DB is about? I thought it was about history. Sorry to appear hostile, but there was a lot of work put i, there. I'm rather resentful. Tony ingram 08:04, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Billy, it occurs to me that a lot of the images on character pages I created, mostly to do with characters associated with the JSA, Infinity Inc, Freedom Fighters, Star Hunters and other more obscure subjects, are also probably unsourced. I can try to sort through my image files and find out where they came from if this helps, though I probably won't have much time until the weekend. I'd hate to lose the likes of Shamus (New Earth), and while I know his character image is from an issue of Infinity Inc, I can't place it exactly without digging out the relevant longbox. Tony ingram 17:40, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I have started gradually working my way through the images I've uploaded and adding the correct licensing info to them, though it will take awhile. If you could check the ones I've done out and tell me if they're OK, it would be a help. Tony ingram 20:05, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

re: Thanks! Edit

Thanks for your vote.

Darkseid01 09:16, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

19th CenturyEdit

FYI - I didn't remove the 20th Century link because it was red, I replaced it with 1901 because I felt it was the next logical place to link to. All our "time" pages link from Prehistoric Era through all the centuries until the 19th Century which ends on year 1900. After that, we have year pages for 1901 to the present. We don't use another "century" category again until the future. So if you're navigating through the time pages using the previous/next links, 1901 is the next chronological entry to find what you're looking for. Of course, I won't change it back. If you disagree, we'll leave it as is. Wolford Mnemsis 01:56, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think it would make more sense to have an index of years included in the 20th Century all on one page, that way the information would be divided more consistently.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:28, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
Works for me. Wolford Mnemsis 00:57, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Batwing Edit

Hey Billy, figured this was the best place to get a word in. Kyle told me you were needing a little break from holidays and all the work you've been doing on the Database and I thought I'd help out and ask if I could cover Batwing? It's a great read if you haven't read it and I figured it'd ease up your work load.

Midoki24 17:37, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
And I can do Legion if you want to. --Tupka217 17:51, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Chat Edit

My chat ban seems to not have disappeared. When will it be lifted?--1966batfan 00:44, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

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