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    I am an up-and-coming editor entering the publishing world, hoping to become a developmental editor. If I could have, though, I would have majored in comic book culture and taught students about comic books. Alas. Still, working in publishing is a nice alternative. But my heart will always be aligned with comics.

    I love young heroes, and my DC specially is all things Titans-related. Any questions regarding Titans / Teen Titans / New Teen Titans — basically ANYthing Titans...I am your guy.
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  • Working on another FANDOM post and I ran into an issue. Grimm told me that you've read Erik Larsen's Aquaman run from the 2000's and I have a quick question. Do you know the exact name of the team Lagoon Boy, Sheeva, and Blubber are members of? I've seen it as both Landlubbers and Landlovers both on here and on other sites and I can't seem to find a definitive answer.

    Thanks!

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    • It's the strangest thing. I used several of your suggestions when I was writing it. I'm using Deep Blue, Neptune Perkins, Tula, Koryak, and Lagoon Boy (the reason for the Landlovers situation).

      While researching the semantics of the team's name, I read a good chunk of Aquaman Vol 5 on DC Universe (it has the whole run). While reading, I discovered Noble, who I feel is a very interesting character. I'm planning on reading the whole run, as both Koryak and Deep Blue make their debuts. Plus, it'll give me the opportunity to leave more about Aquaman and his supporting cast.

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    • I highly recommend the entirety of Aquaman Vol 5.

      + David's run changed Aquaman's portrayal into one that was used for a long, long time. David facilitated Garth's transition from Aqualad to Tempest. He evolved the character of Dolphin to levels much, much higher than she had exhibited before. She became really fleshed out. David created Koryak and Deep Blue, two significant characters in the Aqua mythos with ties to the larger DC mythos. And he created a bunch of other fun supporting characters, like Letifos, Guardian of Hy-Brasil, Spought, A.J., and others. And he brought back other lesser characters and gave them more, like Nuada. Most importantly, though, he really fleshed out the history of Atlantis, adding many new ancient cities and civilization and -- well, it's great what he does for the Aqua-mythos.

      + Abnett's run gave closure to A.J. and brought back Mera. Furthermore, Abnett is the one responsible for giving Mera her "bad@$$" personality that she has mostly been maintaining since then up to now.

      + Larsen's run introduced the Landlovers, especially Lagoon Boy, Blubber, and Sheeva. Larsen also introduced Noble, who is a main character in his run (but not anywhere else). Larsen brought back Arthur's mother. Importantly, Larsen married Garth and Dolphin and had Dolphin become pregnant.

      + Jurgens' run had Garth's baby (Cerdian) being born and then a whole war was fought over it. Tempest was almost as much of a main character in Jurgens' run as Aquaman was, and I love it for that. Tempest was kick-tail in that run.

      Final Note: With Neptune Perkins, I imagine him more likely making an appearance in the Aquaman movie as "Senator Perkins," simply a senator on the surface who is name-dropped. That would be nice.

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  • There's just one detail about moving the images. Make sure to edit the information of every file so that the (Prime Earth) tag for Damian is changed to (New Earth). Like what I did here.

    Let me know if you need help.

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  • Thanks for dropping that 'I hate superman... no I don't' thread.

    There's a few weird patterns in that particular OP's interactions with three other wiki members (and the timing of their on-line presence) who were suddenly all over the board for just the last two days - (and 3 days exactly one month ago) making me think they're the same user.

    Just here to 'second' any second thoughts you might have about the last 2 days posts.

    Thanks, RC

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    • I believe trolls tend to put far too much effort into their "work" (trolling), so I wager what you suggest is certainly possible. I shall try to keep an eye out, but I feel like people of that nature like to appear, cause mayhem, and then disappear for long periods of time. So even if these instances have been moments of trolling, I am sure they won't last for long.

      All the same, I understand your annoyance.

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    • Appreciate.

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  • Hey N8!

    I'm working on a project and came across an issue. I know that Kyle Rayner was a member of the Titans, but I can't find the exact team that he was apart of. I've gone over several pages for the Titans, but I can't find him in the 'Former Members' section.

    Any and all assistance is appreciated.

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    • Great!

      And I too like "Did you Know...?" over ranking lists as well. Less chance for bias both personal and general.

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    • Indeed. I enjoy learning factual information about comic characters, and those type of "Did you know..?" articles do that far better than the ranking ones -- mostly due to the lack of (or less frequent use of) bias.

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  • I'm reading through the first New 52 Teen Titans run (in trade form) and I have a quick question.

    Is reading the "Death of the Family" arc necessary to understand PE Titans history? It involves (the trade containing it) issues 0, 15-17 of TT, an issue of Batman, and an issue of Red Hood and the Outlaws.

    I own all of the run in trade (including this one), but I'm trying to focus on the Titans-centric stuff first.

    I know you've been busy the past few weeks, so take your time answering. I'm in no hurry.

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  • I'm working on a project and I need your input.

    Who would you consider to be "essential" Titans, Titans-related characters? By essential, I mean characters who have had a semi-major effect on the Titans as a whole.

    Both New Earth and Prime Earth, though I have a pretty good grasp for PE.

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    • To select some characters and label them essential would mean that I would be labeling the others non-essential. I believe every character who has been a Titan or who has otherwise had an impacting role in the Titans mythos is essential to a degree. In short, all Titans characters are important, so I won't label any as essential and thus label others non-essential. I am willing, though, to give a list of characters in the upper end of the spectrum when it comes to being meaningful to the Titans mythos. I am sure this is about what you meant in the first place, but I wanted to clarify my thoughts on "essential-ness" anyhow.

      I am working on my own project that probably would be similar. I am making a list of every Titan, and the list will list how many issues the character(s) served as an acting member of the Titans. There will be a number of how many issues they served as official Titans, and there will be a number of issues where they served as allies, assisting the Titans in a mission -- and then there will be a number totaling the number of issues they were participants in Titans goings-on as a whole. The list will also list each issue so that my list will have sources and thus credibility. After the list is complete, I will list them all in descending order, so that you would start with the character who had been a Titan for the longest time at the top and the total number would lessen as you scrolled down the list. In a way, this type of list would tell fans which Titans were very impacting in the Titans mythos and which ones were a little less. However, number of issues with the team isn't always telling of this, I'd like to note. For instance, Kole was with the team for about only 6 issues of Titans titles and about as many in other titles -- so about a dozen issues total -- yet many felt impacted by her death. She earned the hearts of many readers as a Titan. So, my point is that sometimes length of tenures alone isn't enough to gauge importance. You may know this, but I am typing it out in case others come by and read this post on my wall.

      I also need to note that I have not yet finished reading all of the Titans titles. At this time, I still have to read all of those between 1999-2011. So there is a gap in my knowledge. This is actually a slightly considerable gap, given that Teen Titans Vol 3 (2003-2011) added MANY Titans to official membership status. Still, even though I cannot give firsthand accounts of the goings on in that time frame, I do know what happens and who joins/leaves at what time. I know the outline of all the Titans material within this time, so I can give a certain amount of information based simply on tertiary research.

      At the moment, this list I am making for you that determines the more "important" Titan characters is done in a somewhat arbitrary way. I like to determine descending order through quantitative data rather than qualitative. But, I will do my best. Just know that this list that I am giving now isn't actually "in order." Nevertheless, I have prefaced this message enough, so here I shall go. _________________________________________________________________________________

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    • + Robin/Nightwing (Dick Grayson): While I said this list may not be "in order" yet, it's hard to argue that Dick may be number one. He technically doesn't have the longest tenure as a Titan among their many members, but he does have the longest tenure as their leader, through multiple incarnations of the team. He is a founding member, and he is the one who typically keeps the team together throughout its rough patches. All other Titans respect him, and he may be the only one I can say this about. Even if he is not an active member of a team of Titans, if he steps in, he typically exudes leadership and takes the command of the situation, but he does not do so authoritatively. He is kind in his approach and others respond. He has also other Titans, like Rose Wilson. Of the non-powered Titans, he is one of the most capable, and he loves the team he founded more than almost anybody.

      + Wonder Girl/Troia/Darkstar/Donna Troy: Yes, Donna is known for her many complicated origin stories (although, they can easily be understood if read firsthand, from my experience; others may understand with greater or less difficulty). She is known for her many identities, too, as well as their accompanying power/equipment sets. Her original Wonder Girl self had a distinctive; her first Troia identiy had one; her Darkstar identity had one; her second Troia identity had one (one different from her first); and her Donna Troy public identity had a distinct one. Still, what she should be known for is having the longest tenure with the Titans. There have been times when Dick took a leave of absence, yet Donna stayed on. After a few times of Dick and Donna doing this, Donna has a decent lead on Dick in terms of issues with the team. She was also second-in-command, so if Dick left, she was in charge. And she led the team herself a few times. As a Titan, she was the responsible and levelheaded one. She often played den-mother, and she calmed arguments and kept things civil. While Dick loves the group and what it represents more than most Titans, Donna cares about each Titan as an individual more than most Titans (not to say Dick doesn't love his teammates; he does; this is just Donna's overt role as den-mother). She gets less recognition from the general public for not being in the animated series, but her comic versions have been very significant in the Titans universe.

      Starfire (Koriand'r / Kory/Kori Anders): While I am sure you may have expected me to continue with the original five, I am trying to put this as much "in order" as I can while making this list, even if it won't actually be what I ultimately call "in order." Anyhow, my point is that some members of the New Teen Titans play an even larger role in the Titans mythos than some of the founders. Starfire was a character fans immediately were drawn toward. While they may have come for her looks and (lack of) clothes, they stayed for her character. Starfire is burning passion personified, in multiple ways. She is both the very sweet and loving friend as well as the raging warrior who has to hold back her violent tendencies. I can tell she is important to the Titan universe from an editorial perspective, too, given that when the Titans needed a representative on a poster or advertisement for an upcoming DC-wide event, Starfire was the one most used (although Raven probably makes a close second). She had a long tenure with the New Teen Titans and New Titans, as well as the two Titans teams and the third Teen Titans title. In TTv3 (Teen Titans Vol 3), she was on the initial roster as a mentor for the younger members, the "next generation" members. She left before too long to join the Outsiders with Dick and Roy, but she served her purpose as a Titans-builder well.

      + Beast Boy/Changeling: Gar Logan is one of the largest personalities of the Titans. He is one of the group's "faces." He has experienced some of the most tragedy amongst the Titans, and he spends most of his time making jokes as a defense mechanism/consequence. He keeps the team lively. Although, he's not all jokes and games. He has serious sides, too, making him three-dimensional much of the time. Much of his modern popularity stems from his role in the animated series, but that's fine. He has been a member of Titans West, New Teen Titans, New Titans, Teen Titans, Titans L.A., and the Titans. He is one of those ever-present members of the group. In New Earth, because he joined at a very young age (15 years old at the start of New Teen Titans), he has been able to slowly age up. By the end of New Earth, he had reaches the first couple years of his 20s, but he still had a deeply rooted place on the Teen Titans team. In PE, he seems to have been aged down (I wish they'd give us a specific age for many of these characters), but he still remains. In PE, he is the only one to have been a member of all three incarnations of the Teen Titans team. He'll probably be in many incarnations to come.

      + Raven: Raven in some ways has a similar role in the group as Beast Boy, and the two are often placed on the team at the same time, whichever incarnation of the team they are in. She started off at Dick and company's age at the beginning of NTT, but after she died and was resurrected, her resurrected body was younger, and she was a teenager yet again. This allowed her to more rationally stay on the Teen Titans in Vol 3. She is well-known as a Titan, and she would probably be one of the first five names listed if you asked a general DC Comics fan to list five Titans. She has had many personality and power set alterations over the years, but fans seem to love her however she acts and whatever she can do.

      + Cyborg (Victor Stone): Vic has always been a character deeply rooted in ties with the Titans. Gaining fame as a member of the New Teen Titans, he stayed on the team for a long time. His 180 IQ and street smarts gave him the smarts to help the Titans out of many jams. He tries his best to stay humble and remember his roots. When he inherited a fortune, he still chose to live in a lackluster apartment on the lesser-end side of town so that he would never forget who he was fighting for. He has gone through many changes. He has had his original self and its functions; his Russian-upgraded self and its functions; his Cyberion self; his Omegadrome self; and his returned-to-Cyborg/pre-Flashpoint self. That's just in New Earth. In Prime Earth, he has had even more "models." Anyhow, much of his connection to the Titans is becoming lost in current continuity, given that his PE version was founding in being a JL member rather than a Titan member. It has recently been revealed that he had a brief Titan connection in PE, but we know little of it. Still, for all the time he spent as a Titan in NE, he needs to be put in a high spot. When he was Cyberion Technis and went a little crazy in his loneliness, he sought out all of the Titans (JLA/Titans: Technis Imperative) because he saw the Titans as his family. He loves the Titans, and we Titans fans love him.

      + Speedy/Arsenal/Red Arrow (Roy Harper): A founding member of the original crew, Roy is close to his fellow founders. He had short stints on the New Teen Titans as Speedy before adopting the Arsenal identity for the first time and taking leadership of the New Titans. When his team disbanded, he became a sometimes-member of the Teen Titans team led by Atom. When that team disbanded and the Titans formed, he stayed on as a primary member for the duration of the title. He then went on to lead the Outsiders team for a while. He left and became Red Arrow, joining the JLA, but when the Titans regrouped, he joined the team again as Red Arrow. In PE, Roy has struggled as a hero but has now found his place with the Titans. It was his connection with the Titans that helped him get clean. He owes them much. Roy has gone through the most uniform changes among the Titans. He has had (1) his original NE Speedy uniform; (2) his first Arsenal uniform, the purple Daytech one; (3) his yellow Arsenal uniform; (4) his first red Arsenal uniform, received from Haze; (5) his modified red Arsenal uniform, made with inspiration of his Native American origins; (6) his Outsiders Arsenal uniform; (7) his Red Arrow uniform; (8) his Arsenal uniform once he got the mechanical arm; (9) his PE Speedy uniform; (10) his Arsenal uniform from RHatO; and (11) his current Arsenal uniform in Titans. He was a Titan using all but two of these uniforms.

      + Kid Flash/Flash (Wally West): Wally has a considerable tenure with the Titans. He was with all of the original incarnation, and he was a founding member of the New Teen Titans. He stayed on the New Teen Titans for 40 issues before leaving. He took on the Flash identity and began to make a name for himself as a solo hero rather than simply as a team-character. The reason he is a little lower on this list at the moment is because he began to become identified as a solo hero and as a Justice League member. Since becoming Flash, he spent more time as a JL member than as a Titan. Because he is associated less with the Titans than he probably should be, I put him lower on the list. Still, he was a member of the New Teen Titans as Flash as well as Kid Flash, and he was on the Titans (all incarnations). In PE, his role with the Titans has increased. He is now almost entirely known as a Titans member, which is a plot point in current comics as he is learning to have a life outside of the group. Nevertheless, as a member, he serves as the heart of the group. And he and Dick are best friends who go to great lengths for each other.

      + Aqualad/Tempest (Garth): Garth is important as a founding member of the group. He has had a brief stint with the New Teen Titans as Aqualad and has helped out as an ally more times than that. Editorially, part of why he wasn't kept on the team was because he had limited abilities and had a weakness in that he needed to be near water. Once he became Tempest, Garth became a Titan more actively, given his greater abilities. In PE, Garth seems to be possibly even more capable, which coincides with his greater role as a Titan. I expect him to serve as a Titan for a while to come.

      + Robin/Red Robin (Tim Drake): From 2003-onward (or at least to 2016), Tim has had a large role with the Teen Titans. He has had a long tenure with the "next generation" of Titans, predominantly as leader. In some ways, he is the "new Dick," but he is also his own character.

      + Wonder Girl (Cassandra Sandsmark): Cassie is in the same 2003-2016 situation as Tim. She has led the group at times and pushed the team to great heights.

      + Superboy (Kon-El / Conner Kent): Again, he is in the same boat as Tim and Cassie, being a Titan on and off (but mostly on) since 2003.

      + Impulse/Kid Flash (Bart Allen): Bart started his career as a Titan as Impulse with the New Titans, but that tenure was relatively short. As such, his prominence as a Titan mostly stems from his tenure with the Teen Titans from 2003 onward, pretty much like Tim, Cassie, and Conner. These four are often associated together, and they're often associated together as Titans.

      + Jericho (Joseph Wilson): Joey joined the New Teen Titans when Wally left, and he was a mainstay on the team for over 100 issues. His role as a NTT member is so pronounced that in flashbacks showing the history of the Teen Titans, when they get to the NTT section, there are usually eight members shown: the original seven plus Jericho. He was very close friends to Dick, Donna, Kory, Vic, Gar, and Raven. After he was resurrected, he joined the Teen Titans again in the mid-2000s. By the end of New Earth, Arsenal and Jericho had decided to form the Titans again, but we don't get to see their new team because of Flashpoint. In PE, he does not have the same level of connections to the team, but he has helped them a couple times. I hope he will eventually become a Titan again.

      + Terra (Tara Markov) [I'll do both at once]: While neither Terra was with the Titans for very long, they have had a very large impact on the Titans mythos -- enough to be mentioned. The first Terra is known for being the first character to join the New Teen Titans besides the founding members. She is known for joining and betraying the team during The Judas Contract. The first was legitimately evil, a murderous psychopath. The second Terra, however, was heroic, and I liked her a great deal. The second was a member of the Team Titans, the New Titans, and Titans L.A. I really enjoyed the second Terra's tenure with the teams.

      I suppose these would be the "most essential" Titans, but there are other significant ones. When I finish that list of membership by issue count, perhaps that will help you learn about other characters who have significant roles in the Titans (for instance, Damage and Argent have both been Titans for about 75 or so issues, which is a decent amount).

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    • Thanks! I get and agree with what you said about being essential.

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  • Hey N8!

    A user on the Marvel Wiki posted a versus between Cyborg and Black Panther. However, the problem is that we don't know what Cyborg is capable of beyond what is on his character page.

    If you want to, could you pop over and give us a brief rundown of what he can do? Any info is useful.

    Thanks!

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  • Tried to message you but it didn’t go through, get in touch when you can.

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  • I just started reading Batman's comics in order based on [this list], and wondered how I could also follow along Robin as he gets started with the Teen Titans. Which series should I read to do that?

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    • If you don't mind me giving my 2¢...

      I would also recommend to check out the stories that link Robin's solo transition into Nightwing and his solo career afterwards:

      That is a pretty rough "chronological" read of Dick Grayson's early stories since he stepped away from Batman until he went solo to Bludhaven. Of course, none of this takes into consideration his development with the Titans, which is quintessential to understand the character.

      And speaking of which, I'd like to ask N8, what about Teen Titans: Year One (Volume 1)? How good is that as a starting point for someone like me, who's barely read any Titans?

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    • Robin, which was an impulse sale buy, is actually the most enjoyable Showcase Presents I've read, and would second SfH's recommendation. Lilith even makes an appearance.

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  • You just make them. No apologies or excuses necessary.

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    • Understood. I just know that you guys appreciate larger edits over smaller ones, and I hate to put you guys through extra work when you check edits simply because I couldn't let a small grammatical mistake go.

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    • The vast majority of my edits is small cleanup edits. It's helpful if you add what you change in the summary.

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