Other Media[]
Should the material in this section perhaps be moved to the Lex Luthor disambiguation page? Is it really the Earth-One Luthor, or just appearances during the "lifetime" of the comic Earth-One Luthor?
- --Roygbiv666 12:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Wellll... I guess that one's kinda iffy. Naturally each movie/TV version of Luthor takes place within it's own continuity, but I tried to restrict material to characters that were patterned in the style of the E-1 Luthor (for lack of a better term). That's why I didn't bring up the John Shea version from Lois & Clark or Michael Rosenbaum from Smallville as they were developed after the E-1 Lex Luthor ceased to be. Personally, I vote for keeping it where it is. The E-1 Luthor page isn't obnoxiously long or unwieldy, so I don't feel as if it's needlessly cluttering the page. --Brian Kurtz 13:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Meh ... I s'pose that's a good enough argument. ;-)
- --Roygbiv666 14:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Move?[]
Shouldn't this be moved to Alexis Luthor (Earth-One)? Kyletheobald (talk) 09:20, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
First appearance[]
I have updated his first appearance from Action Comics Vol 1 193 to Action Comics Vol 1 125. My reasoning is thus: not counting Superboy, Superman Vol 1 47 is widely considered to be the first appearance of Earth-1 Superman. This is because in it, he references being Superboy, which Earth-2 Superman never was. It is therefore commonly reasoned that the adventures of Superman after this issue (July of 1947) take place in Earth-1. The first appearance of Lexu Luthor after that month was in the main story of Action Comics Vol 1 125, The Modern Nostradamus.
- The first appearance of Earth-One is a crapshoot, see also Talk: Bruce Wayne (Earth-One). It's vague because there never was an intended border, the decision that Superboy was exclusively Earth-One was made later, without much care for things outside it. Who's Who lists the first appearance of Alexis as Adventure Comics #271. Essential Wonder Woman Encyclopedia (which is sorta semi-canon but not without mistakes) actually lists Superman #46 as Superman's first appearance. --Tupka217 20:04, August 26, 2020 (UTC)
- Well, you're certainly right about the "jump on point" for E-1 being a total crapshoot for Golden age characters; and you're right about why that is. Few instances are flawless examples of "right THERE is where things changed." So I just try to establish rules based on logic. But; once again, you are correct about Who's Who. I have that series, but I didn't think to check it. I totally forgot that in those early post-crisis days, when they were trying to figure out exactly how new-earth worked, they actually listed the different earth versions in the guide. I suppose that's the best you're going to find for a canonical jump-on point; so I concede to your logic. ~~WraithTDK
- You know, after looking more into it, it's kind of hard to take Who's Who as an authoritative source for first appearances of Earth [insert designation], as it lists New-Earth Superman's first appearance as still being Action Comics Vol 1 1 --Wraith (talk) 16:19, September 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Many appearances of Superman and his supporting cast that aren't clear-cut as either Earth-Two or Earth-One on the basis of circumstantial evidence may well belong to realities which incorporate aspects of both but ultimately are neither, like Earth-Two-A and Earth-Thirty-Two. For instance, I believe that all instances of a Golden Age Superman that recalls a Superboy career are retroactively assigned to Earth-Two-A. But again, this type of explanation only rationalizes ambiguities; it doesn't solve them. There are several appearances of Lex Luthor before Adventure Comics 271 which are most probably, to say the least, exclusively representative of the Earth-One version, but the upside about all of this is that almost nothing continuity-heavy happened in the timeline of the Earth-One Superman before Action Comics #241 anyway (notable exceptions like Krypto's first appearance, the first appearance of the Superman Museum, and the Thing from 40,000 A.D. notwithstanding), and Action #241 was published only 2 years prior to Adventure Comics #271 so whatever. Kerfuffles2 (talk) 09:16, September 5, 2020 (UTC)
- Yea, the whole thing is clear as mud. I guess we have to keep reminding ourselves that one of the primary reasons the multi-earth concepts was created was because continuity was a royal mess. It's maddening for a more contemporary comic book fan who expects any level of consistency to try to read through the mid-20th century stories (as I currently am). Superman first encounters Kryptonite in Superman Vol 1 61, then two years later there's a Superboy story in Adventure Comics Vol 1 171 where he encounters it, and instantly knows what it is like he's seen it before. Frustrating stuff! --Wraith (talk) 16:19, September 5, 2020 (UTC)