I doubt the stenght levels indicated for Harvey Bullock and The Riddler. They are, for sure, average, not below average. So I'm changing them to that category.
--KameShazam 19:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Anybody know where this idea of "100+ tons" as the major league superhuman strength comes from? A locomotive weighs about 100 tons, which isn't much in comic book superhero terms. A city bus is about 10 tons.
--Roygbiv666 20:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- I believe it dates back to the first Marvel Handbook set, when they were trying to quantify everything about their heroes. Probably just copied from the Marvel side. The Paradox 12:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Including what, exactly?Edit
It might be nice to indicate more clearly the circumstances under which some ratings were given (for instance, the GLs are obviously rated without their rings, but for some others it's harder to tell... John Henry Irons' rating looks like it might be from his steelskin period without the suit, but I'm not sure). Ptorquemada 06:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- There are a few bits of info I regard as totally unreliable - height, weight, and strength scale. They're completely arbitrary and constantly in flux based on the needs of the story, the skill of the artist and who's doing the write-up. The Paradox 12:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
A more meaningful page Edit
A previous post indicates that 100 tons isn't a significant amount of weight. I would go further by pointing out that almost everyone who is regarded as having some degree of super strength has been shown to lift more than 100 tons. As example Blue Devil, who is classified as being able to lift between 10 and 25 tons, has lifted a high rise building (I am still searching for the issue), such a building would weigh in the range of half a million tons (500,000) (click here for an explanation of how to measure the weight of a skycraper). Of course in reality without findingu the proper fulcrum point lifting the building would cause it to collapse. Which means lifting items greater than 100,000 tons (the approximate weight of a cruise ship or aircraft carrier) is a meaningless measure, since nothing of such mass exists in compact enough form to be lifted. Many of the feats of strength that various heroes have demonstrated have actually been the application of significant force as opposed to the lifting of great masses. Earth 1 Superman and Superboy Prime moving planets requires for instance much greater strength than merely being able to dead lift the 100 quintillion tons (100 billion billion, 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons) that an Earth sized planet would "weigh", it requires propulsive force greater than the gravitational attraction of the planet and sun, which in turn would translate to a dead lift of several thousand solar masses (10 nonillion tons, 10 million trillion trillion, 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons). In the end if most characters with super strength are actually class 100, it doesn't mean much to classify them, because everyone or nearly everyone would have the same classification and there would be no way to distinguish them. Additionally classifying by the amount of weight they can lift isn't meaningful when most people don't understand or know the differences in weight between different objects, (i.e. buildings, cities, mountains, islands, asteroids, moons, planets etc...) and while the strength of a punch is more useful for such a classification purpose (since we are likely classifying them in an attempt to determine who would win in a fight), again most of them are at a strength level which would defy the tensile strength of most if not all materials.
Therefore I recommend that at the very least the strength scale be increased beyond the 100 ton limit; that there be placed a new category of enhanced strength for those whose strength would be greater then human capacity but less than 100 or perhaps 1,000 tons, with super strength being placed above the 100 or 1,000 ton range; finally and perhaps most controversially perhaps we should change the metric by which we determine strength level. If most objects of enormous mass would collapse if dead lifted, maybe we could use the force of punch (assuming there is a general understanding of what a Newton of force is) as the measure, or perhaps the speed or distance a character could through a highly dense baseball sized and shaped object of extraordinary mass, and for planetary or cosmic level strength the amount of gravitational attraction their strength would allow them to overcome. I look forward to comments and suggestions.
(As a side note this is the first time I've ever posted to a wiki page, if I have done this wrong even after reading the FAQ and training page I apologize and request further instruction.) JasonPW 16:39, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
While Batman is listed as being abble to support 1000 lbs and being able to lift 1000 lbs, I have to say there is a large difference between lifting 1000 lbs and supporting 1000 lbs. I have not seen the comic showing Nightwing supporting 1000 lbs, but I assume that it is in a manner that is not consistant with being able to LIFT 1000 lbs. I think that Nightwing should be changed back to the 400 lbs category until further support is shown. However, I suspect that Nightwing can lift more than 400 lbs, because I can lift 300 lbs. Keep in mind that lifting, pressing, and supporting are all three very different things. Goblyn4evil (talk) 22:06, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
Deleting this outdated nonsense Edit
It's a relic. Unsourced, subjective, and since DC does not use a "strenght scale" or anything like Marvel does, kinda speculative. Many characters don't have their power specified to a degree, it's just "not as strong as Superman" or whatever. Therefore, I think we should just get rid of this crap. --Tupka217 09:09, May 16, 2013 (UTC)