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  • Tupka217
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    18:54, April 19, 2018

    Just a question: The characters from New Earth that do not have a new version on the Prime Earth, still exists? Someone, please, clarify this. Prime Earth is suppose to be the continuum of New Earth, am I right? So the characters that do not appear in Prime Earth, but does exists in New Earth, are still existing but without changes. Right?

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    • Either they don't exist, or we haven't gotten around to creating pages on them. Usually because little is changed and they're not a priority.

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    • How is Prime Earth a continuum of New Earth? It's a whole new timeline - an alternate reality - unintentionally created by Flash.

      Convergence proves that the two exist independently of each other and New Earth still exists in its parallel timeline. New Earth still carries on, even if we have no stories about it, just like every other reality in the multiverse.

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    • Well, it's a bit more complex than that. The multiverse in Convergence was not exactly the original multiverse, but instead, they were time duplicates and by the end they did survive the CoIE, but different from what they were. - For practical purposes, they don't exist anymore.

      And I believe the confusion starts with characters like Hal Jordan, whose page has never been divided. Something that is questionable considering he goes back to 1959.

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    • So, I have to asume that they do not exist.

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    • Just assume we're lazy.

      You can always check the appearances. Go to the Appearances category of the NE page, change New into Prime in the url, and if it gets results, they've appeared. There is, however, stuff that hasn't been indexed.

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    • @SfH Even better, as that means there is a parallel multiverse to the Prime Earth multiverse and the New Earth multiverse is potentially still in tact, minus a Barry.

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    • So the heroes of new Earth are the same person of new52? Or they are two different person?

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    • Different.

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    • How can I reach the Appearances category of the NE page? Can't find it.

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    • It's the A on disambigs, and it's also linked near the bottom of the charachter page.

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    • Lady Noe
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      13:54, January 31, 2017
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    • I have been reindexing the new 52 comics that still had New Earth characters in the descriptions... (apart from the New Earth characters, such as Superman or Paralax)

      So that if in a future comics or new characters on New Earth Appear again, it will be easier to diferentiate them :)

      btw, As far as I know, convergence let it (almost) clear that any universe that existed, still exist... so it is semi-secure to say that all new earth characters are still alive (except those who could die during the time we haven´t see what happened there)

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    • I might add that since each of these Earths have their own set of divergent timelines (the Legion of Superheroes and Kamandi 30th centuries for Earth-One case in point) you can have a story where a New-Earth character is dead and then a story where they are alive without any time travel involved.

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    • We have a bunch of Prime Earth characters, primarily from the Green Lantern and Batman family of titles, whose histories are exactly the same post-flashpoint as they were prior to Flashpoint. Why can't give them dual reality designations as we did for the Earth-One and Earth-Two characters whose histories are the same following the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

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    • Because they are similar, but they are not the same... For example, in New Earth Hal Jordan has been a green lantern for far more than a decade... while in new 52 he has been one for only 5 (plus some) years... Just imagine how black night could have been with all differences new 52 introduced in the new continuity... With the Bat-family it is still a lot more different...

      Apart from that, I think Divergence put it clear that New Earth characters and Prime Earth characters are different characters from different universe... it doesn't mind if they share some facts in their lives :/

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    • Except that Rebirth ret-cons what Divergence told us and is now saying New Earth and Prime Earth are actually the same universe with 10 years of their history deleted from everyone's memories.

      Also, when they show flashbacks of the Green Lantern character's histories they are exactly the same as they were in the pre-flashpoint continuity with a cosmetic change here and there. If there is a major change to their history in the New 52 then by all means create a new page, but if there histories' are exactly the same as the they pre-flashpoint then lets just use the protocol we used for the New Earth pages when it came to their Pre and post crisis histories.

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    • DalekSupreme13 wrote: Except that Rebirth ret-cons what Divergence told us and is now saying New Earth and Prime Earth are actually the same universe with 10 years of their history deleted from everyone's memories.

      I don't think that's what Rebirth means at all.

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    • About the pre and post crisis protocol, I still think it is very confusing (specially with Earth Two characters).

      And about what Rebirth means... It hasn't been explained yet, and I think that the existence of both Superman (pre and post flashpoint) is a prove that that is not the case

      And as I have said, the changes in the universe continuity makes most of green lantern comics imposible to be the same... For example, Barry was dead most of post crisis comics, do you think that doesn't affect Hal history at all? Pick a comic with Hal in it from pre flashpoint, any comic, and you will surely find something there that couldn't happen in the post flashpoint continuity...

      I understand what you mean, that they tried to leave most Hal events unmodified, but the thing is that they happened in a different continuity, so of course, it couldn't be exactly the same!

      There is even a pre zero hour hal in the current universe... He is more a New Earth Hal Jordan than the Prime Earth one! (even if he is from a different timeline than the post zero hour one)

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    • Xelloss.nakama
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      14:36, March 2, 2017
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    • DalekSupreme13 wrote: Except that Rebirth ret-cons what Divergence told us and is now saying New Earth and Prime Earth are actually the same universe with 10 years of their history deleted from everyone's memories.

      The problem is the whole "there are 52 earths, and then alternate dimensions within each universe, as well as alternate timelines and microverses within each."

      So there is a New Earth that didn't have 10 years removed from it...out there...somewhere.

      Furthermore it was clearly stated that Hypertime existed before Crisis and after Convergence (it was the mechanic by which the 52 multiverse formed and how it was altered)

      In fact, this every branching realities aspect of Many Worlds Theory explains how Brainiac was able to get cities from realties that shouldn't have existed anymore. Well, unless you want to say he was grabbing Hypertime versions of those worlds.

      Many Worlds Theory brings with it the idea that somewhere out there there is a DC multiverse where Crisis didn't happen...ever.

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