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Appearances
| Table Form | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Section | Autolinks | Section | Autolinks | Section | Autolinks |
| 1 | 100 | 11 | 20 | 21 | 5 |
| 2 | 100 | 12 | 20 | 22 | 5 |
| 3 | 40 | 13 | 20 | 23 | 5 |
| 4 | 40 | 14 | 20 | 24 | 5 |
| 5 | 20 | 15 | 5 | 25 | 5 |
| 6 | 20 | 16 | 5 | 26 | 5 |
| 7 | 20 | 17 | 5 | 27 | 5 |
| 8 | 20 | 18 | 5 | 28 | 5 |
| 9 | 20 | 19 | 5 | 29 | 5 |
| 10 | 20 | 20 | 5 | 30 | 5 |
| Total | 560 | ||||
Initially, we set it up for 70 appearances per section, which slowed our comic pages to an amazingly annoying crawl. So at the moment, we have 70 in the first four appearances sections, 20 in appearances sections 5 through 14, and 5 in appearances sections 15 through 30 (since those don't usually have umpty-billion appearances listed, especially when they're hardly used at all).
Manual "| Cast# = "'s have a max of 300, not including all the locations, vehicles, items and such.
We can pretty easily increase the number in the first section if you'd like, but we'd have to probably decrease some in other sections to keep our page load times down. If we could decrease the total even more so than now, our comic pages would load even faster. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 20:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
- As I do more and more big crossover issues, this is becoming more of an issue for me. Comics with loads of characters rarely have more than two stories. Perhaps we could whittle down from the 3rd and 4th story sections, and feed them both into the first? Maybe we could completely eliminate the Cast field. If you could get the comic template to tag pages that use it, I would be happy to go around and make sure no pages depend on it so that we could just remove it from the template altogether as a relic.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 06:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
- I've updated the numbers so that the first two stories have an additional 30, bringing theirs to 100 each, and the second two stories have been reduced to 40 each. I found a couple examples where the third story had more than 20 appearances in the Appearing3 section, so we couldn't go to as small as we have for the 5th story, but I figure 40 is probably nice and safe. Let me know if that works, or you need more than 100 for the first or second story.
- I've wanted to remove the cast situation from this side for awhile now, since we removed it several months ago on the marvel side. (We threw caution to the wind and figured that if there were any errors contributed to it, we'd catch them eventually). I put in Category:Comics with Casts for if Cast1 is filled in. It should be a good indication as to if they need to be removed. I can't wait to get rid of all that ugly code here too! If you need any robotic help on this one, just holla.
- Thanks for the Happy Birthday! Only 29 years young. :)
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 14:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Page Templates
Think the Quotes link on Character pages should be hidden if the target category doesn't exist? The Paradox 02:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yes. I think having it otherwise just makes for a ridiculously large amount of empty pages, for a variety of reasons. I supported that decision, and I was glad to see you doing that.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yes. I think having it otherwise just makes for a ridiculously large amount of empty pages, for a variety of reasons. I supported that decision, and I was glad to see you doing that.
I just adding a bunch of IFEXIST stuff to a most of the major Page Templates. Would you mind doing a random spot check of articles to see if there's anything missing from them, if they show up properly, etc.? It seems you have an eye for that sort of thing, and after looking at them myself for so long I no longer trust mine. The Paradox 01:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- You guys should be careful about the amount of ifexists you call. There's a limit perpage about how many you can have before the page doesn't recognize any of them. We've learned this the hard way over on Marvel, when we had like 20 minor characters show up at the bottom of the disambig, and none of the ifexists work right. Just as an FYI. ;)
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 05:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Justice League questions
Hey, dude. Sorry I didn't respond to your JLA question on my talk page. Somehow that one just slipped right past me and I didn't even notice it until yesterday. I've been giving this one a lot of thought, and I'm inclined to think that maybe we should keep them as two separate pages. Here's my thinking:
- JLI: Would include material from issues 7-2? of the first JLI title, but would also have to include information from when JLE switched its title over.
- JLA: Had a major roster change following the death of Superman, and the title lasted for more than 100 issues under this name - long after they abandoned the JLI moniker. I think there's enough meat there to justify seperate pages.
I don't think we should bother creating a separate page for "Justice League" (the first six issues of the Giffen/DeMatteis run) however. That info could be used as a prologue for both the JLI and JLA page.
If we keep 'em separate, you might wanna keep an eye out for some of the Justice League of America (New Earth) appearance listings. I think I used that name instead of Justice League America on some comic issue pages.
What do ya think? --Brian Kurtz 15:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
- I also think that they should be kept separate. As for the first couple of issues when it was just called Justice League, that one bothers me also. I think the DC Collected Editions count it as part of JLI though, so that was what I was thinking. I think Justice League International should be like the main page, and then underneath that you have all of the sub-teams that belonged to JLI, like Justice League Europe, Justice League America, Justice League Antarctica. Maybe the Justice League International page could have a heading for each of them with a link to the main article?
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:46, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Adventure Comics Covers
Hey, Billy. I see you've replaced a lot of the Adventure Comics covers under a more appropriate title. Thanks for that, btw. I'm getting irritated with a lot of these poorly named images as well. I noticed though that a lot of the original covers are actually higher quality scans. Would you be opposed to me re-uploading the original scans under your current page names? They should automatically replace the existing file without changing anything. I'll dump the dupes after all is said and done. Cool? --Brian Kurtz 16:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, sure, don't worry about it. I was just on a renaming spree. I have no attachment to the individual images themselves. Word on the street is, by next year we may be able to Move images. On that day, all of these problems will pretty much just go away.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, sure, don't worry about it. I was just on a renaming spree. I have no attachment to the individual images themselves. Word on the street is, by next year we may be able to Move images. On that day, all of these problems will pretty much just go away.
- Zod, that would indeed be a day worth marking on the calendar. --Brian Kurtz 16:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Do you know who this is?
I'ma talking about this chickie. It looks like some version of Fury, but I'm not sure what reality its supposed to be. --Brian Kurtz 21:19, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- I uploaded that picture in one of my mad uploading sprees, and then couldn't actually figure out where it went. Feel free to delete it.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- No prob. We can always re-upload it again later once we determine where she's from. I'll scan through my JSA issues to see if she might be the Earth-2 Fury. --Brian Kurtz 21:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Featured Article
Time for a new one (and Fast Facts too) - ideas? Roygbiv666 22:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- Krypto Mouse !! (Needs some copy editing, though.) The Paradox 22:11, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- I was thinking about changing it to Azrael. Because of his foreshadowed return on Rip Hunter's Chalkboard and on the cover of Gotham Underground #4 that seems to be coming up. However, his article needs to be beefed up first. I'm getting Sword of Azrael soon through the mail, and I was going to pick up his Year One annual at my local shop. However, I can't find Azrael: Agent of the Bat #100 anywhere to scan in his reported death scene. Which would be useful. Ummm... the Secret Society of Super-Villains article could use some refining, but would otherwise be a good draw, especially with their activity during Final Crisis. As for Fast Facts, how about Bat-Mite, one of the new Lantern Corps, Onomatopoeia, and maybe some information about the Vigilante. Because there's a new Vigilante series coming out. These are just ideas, anybody else can feel free to popcorn some in if they want to. I could probably write something decent up about S.H.A.D.E. if I had until tomorrow evening, given as at this point I have finally amassed most of their published history, just not gotten around to reading it yet. I'm trying to think of people who have just died, or people who are making comebacks.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
- I was thinking about changing it to Azrael. Because of his foreshadowed return on Rip Hunter's Chalkboard and on the cover of Gotham Underground #4 that seems to be coming up. However, his article needs to be beefed up first. I'm getting Sword of Azrael soon through the mail, and I was going to pick up his Year One annual at my local shop. However, I can't find Azrael: Agent of the Bat #100 anywhere to scan in his reported death scene. Which would be useful. Ummm... the Secret Society of Super-Villains article could use some refining, but would otherwise be a good draw, especially with their activity during Final Crisis. As for Fast Facts, how about Bat-Mite, one of the new Lantern Corps, Onomatopoeia, and maybe some information about the Vigilante. Because there's a new Vigilante series coming out. These are just ideas, anybody else can feel free to popcorn some in if they want to. I could probably write something decent up about S.H.A.D.E. if I had until tomorrow evening, given as at this point I have finally amassed most of their published history, just not gotten around to reading it yet. I'm trying to think of people who have just died, or people who are making comebacks.
I've set up a poll on the forums, using the suggestions here. It's set to close on the 19th, one month after it was last changed. The Paradox 03:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- I already voted. Thank you for the heads up, though.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- I already voted. Thank you for the heads up, though.
- Congrats. Azrael, the bad Bat-knockoff with better shoulder pads than Alexis Carrington, has won the poll to be the next featured article. I leave in your capable hands to make the transition. Let me know if you want any help. One thing I do suggest is that it be heavily Wikilinked to other articles, as that will hopefully draw new editors to various related pages.
- I'm still hoping for Krypto Mouse as some point (and I think the tie vote shows others agree). Maybe make it part of a month that focuses on the four-legged members of the DC Universe. I could definitely see Power Girl's cat gracing the Main Page in the near future. The Paradox 18:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Very, very nice overhaul. It sets a standard for Featured Article quality. The Paradox 23:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Dox. I'm going to update {{Featured Article}} as soon as I figure out which image to use on the Main Page.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Dox. I'm going to update {{Featured Article}} as soon as I figure out which image to use on the Main Page.
Quotes
Yea, that's another thing that needs to be spread around a little. The Quotes template has a function built in for when you're not using | Quotation = (or Quote) and | Speaker = . Since only the Quotation or Quote and Speaker blocks will be sucked up automatically into the quotes pages, additional quotes written on that page will have the correct category at the bottom, but will suck up the wrong quote and speaker, since they're not the one in the designated fields. To get around this, I installed a feature of the Quote template that allows the user to turn off the quote categorization. Just add: |NoCat=true before the closing }}, and the quote won't be categorized. It's handy in a lot of ways, and works good for this instance.
I suppose, if this is too much of a hastle, we could implement a different template for the official quote section, say OfficialQuote or something, that way, just using the quote template would leave the categorization out by default. It's another option that might make more sense in the long run.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 16:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
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Legends
Are you aware of a Legends crossover navbox? I can't seem to find one. The Paradox 00:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
- Now there is. {{Legends}}.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. The Paradox 01:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
DC Fan Fiction
Hey guys,
Just a general message for you big-time DC Admins, the founder of DC Fan Fiction wants you to know that if you run into any users who would like to create their own DC characters or comics and stuff, you're more than welcome to point them to the DC Fan Fiction wiki. (They're not having much luck generating new contributors). Didn't know if you guys knew about this option, so I'm putting it out here.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 15:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Rond Vidar (SW6)
I didn't realize there was an SW6 version of Rond. Is he one of the characters that popped into existence as part of the End of an Era storyline? My copies are not easily accessible at the moment or I'd check myself. On the other hand, if you'd like some help verifying all the appearances, I suppose I could dig them out... ;) The Paradox 09:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- You may very well be right. I'm sort of trying to scope the entire five-year gap period in a weird way right now, in that nothing I'm putting down is concrete. It's all very fluid, and I keep on going through to correct minor things. He acts like he's SW6. I can change it myself though once I figure out that he's not. Thanks for the heads-up on this one. I think I have a handle on it, I wouldn't want to trouble you. I promise though, you'll be the first person I'll ask for help if I need it.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 14:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- You may very well be right. I'm sort of trying to scope the entire five-year gap period in a weird way right now, in that nothing I'm putting down is concrete. It's all very fluid, and I keep on going through to correct minor things. He acts like he's SW6. I can change it myself though once I figure out that he's not. Thanks for the heads-up on this one. I think I have a handle on it, I wouldn't want to trouble you. I promise though, you'll be the first person I'll ask for help if I need it.
Disambig pages
There's a discussion on the forums (Thread name: Disambig) that touches on the dislike you have with the Outsiders disambig page, in an indirect way. I guess Marvel, because of their continued use of the Comics: namespace, has separate disambig pages for characters/teams than for comics. Might this be something we could implement to satisfy your dislike for disambig pages that contain comics? I'd urge you to voice your opinions there. The Paradox 21:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Quality Assessment
Announcing the brand-new Quality Assessment project page! It only covers comic issues at the moment, but look on it as an opportunity for rapid growth. Courtesy of Brian Kurtz. The Paradox 13:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi
Hey Billy congraduations on becoming a new adminisrator on DC Database site nice job good work. I was wondering if you be interested in becoming staff member on my site for The Flash and The Martian Manhunter if your interest let me know I wanted to ask you because you are a staff member on my Green Arrow site. Well talk to you later.
From Rod12
Help:Ask a DCPedian#Enough
Billy, I'm not sure exactly where it says that this page is only for "outsiders with questions". The Main Page says "Got a question? Try asking a contributor!" and this page says "feel free to ask a question anytime, and one or more of our routine contributors will get back to you as soon as they can." The site seems to be faster and more convenient to access than the forums. What do you think the page should be limited to? Roygbiv666 17:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I might've just been being anal. I just feel like we sometimes use our talk pages like forums, and I would like to see more centralized character discussion here, and subjective open-ended questions there. Don't worry about it though. I was just having a bad week, and complaining about a lot of things.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I might've just been being anal. I just feel like we sometimes use our talk pages like forums, and I would like to see more centralized character discussion here, and subjective open-ended questions there. Don't worry about it though. I was just having a bad week, and complaining about a lot of things.
Deleting pages
When deleting pages it's always a good idea to check WhatLinksHere and the History. For example, your recent deletion of Category:Albert Pratt (New Earth)/Quotes left a batch of redlinks on comic pages and a broken redirect. Not a critical problem, but those need to be cleaned up at some point and I think it's easiest to get them when the root page is deleted.
Since you seem to favor deleting empty Quotes categories I'd like to direct your attention to Special:UnusedCategories, which is just brimming with them. I'm personally holding off until all the Comics pages are templated, since I expect those will produce Quotes and Appearances, but there's nothing that says they can't be deleted now and recreated later if needed. It would be nice to think that I'm not the only one working that page (and Special:BrokenRedirects). Of course, if you wanted to help work on Category:Template Required that would be appreciated as well. The Paradox 19:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
References and the {{C}} template
I'd like to see the way we reference comic books improved a bit. One of the things I really want to add is a means of automatically retrieving the publication date, the way it's done for first and last appearances. I'd also like to make italicizing of the title (but not volume and issue numbers) automatic. I tried adding that to the {{cnst}} template but you objected to that particular route. How would you feel about appropriating {{c}}, which is now a redirect to {{cnst}}, and adding that formatting to it? It would mean having to refine when {{C}} v. {{cnst}} is used, but as you can infer from Young Justice and various Comic List pages, I've already been editing with these changes in mind. It would mean a lot less piping, remove the need to add italics, give a better overview of the timeframe of various references, and generally provide a better tool for standardizing comic book references. The Paradox 21:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry it took me so long to respond. Yes, that actually sounds like quite a good idea. I see what you're saying. My main objection to making everything automatically italicized, was that not only would it make any of our piped links incongruous, but I think there are a lot of times when things don't need to be italicized. For example, on comic lists (which I see you've already done), and also on first/last appearances, where it just makes you have to squint more. I would be supportive of this idea, although I also bring up the issue created by the large number of references on the site that currently use italics, which would change them from italicized to 'this thing'. Also, in which cases would we be adding the date to the comics? Normally, when I'm making comic lists that are Volume 2 or higher, I usually forego {{cnst}}, because I think that Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 4) #61 looks better than Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 4 #61. Would that be something I would have to change?
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry it took me so long to respond. Yes, that actually sounds like quite a good idea. I see what you're saying. My main objection to making everything automatically italicized, was that not only would it make any of our piped links incongruous, but I think there are a lot of times when things don't need to be italicized. For example, on comic lists (which I see you've already done), and also on first/last appearances, where it just makes you have to squint more. I would be supportive of this idea, although I also bring up the issue created by the large number of references on the site that currently use italics, which would change them from italicized to 'this thing'. Also, in which cases would we be adding the date to the comics? Normally, when I'm making comic lists that are Volume 2 or higher, I usually forego {{cnst}}, because I think that Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 4) #61 looks better than Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 4 #61. Would that be something I would have to change?
- Transition is going to be a b!t@h, no doubt about it. Given the massive number of places these are used, it could take us years and we'd still not get them all. But the guidelines for the transition, those should be easy by comparison. Basically, I see {{C}} being used where we want italics and a date and {{Cnst}} being used where we don't. Comic Lists, no. Character page references, yes. (There's also {{Vnst}} for referencing an entire series.) There won't be a need to change over to a template if we don't care about a date (in fact I believe Wikia would prefer we didn't), so a lot of the piped links are fine as they are. Template output can be tweaked to (Volume #) instead of Vol # easily enough; it's actually already on the list of formatting changes if this happens. I'm also gathering notes to put together some "How to write a great Issue/Character/Comic List article" style guides, so all the info on which template(s) to use when can be incorporated into those. The Paradox 19:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Category:Date Templates
Do you have plans to do anything with these? They don't appear to be used anywhere, nor to have been worked on for months. The Paradox 16:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
- The idea was, we were considering making a "On this Day in History" feature for the main page, so I went around trying to compile different birthdays (shipping dates are pretty much impossible to figure out). If you want to delete them, by all means go for it. It wasn't as good of an idea as I thought it was.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
- The idea was, we were considering making a "On this Day in History" feature for the main page, so I went around trying to compile different birthdays (shipping dates are pretty much impossible to figure out). If you want to delete them, by all means go for it. It wasn't as good of an idea as I thought it was.
- Nononono, I'll leave their disposal to you - I have enough going on right now with my own list of things to do. Speaking of which, were you going to respond to the above thread? I'd like to get moving on bringing the site up to something resembling standard reference formatting, i.e. italics and dates. The Paradox 17:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Moves
Sure thing! I'll go through them tonight. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 19:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Rebirth of the Cool Images category
I don't understand why Category:Static Shock: Rebirth of the Cool Vol 1/Images was deleted, and there's no edit summary to shed light on the reason. The Paradox 20:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
- Because there was nothing in it with the exception of one improperly named cover image. It really bugs me when we have image categories with nothing except covers in them, because that's what Cover Galleries are for. All of the covers can be found at Static Shock: Rebirth of the Cool/Covers. I find it really annoying and disappointing when you look into a category specifically for extra images, and find nothing except things from the cover gallery. I will put that category back when there legitimately are images from Rebirth of the Cool here on the site.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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Battle/Fall of Metropolis stuff
So, now that I've finally re-read the Fall of Metropolis storyline, I agree with your earlier point that Battle and Fall should prolly be squashed into one article. Especially since BfM doesn't really have an ending. It's very Two Towers that way. I would recommend having it all under the "Fall of Metropolis" pagename for the following reasons:
- Fall of Metropolis sounds cooler
- I think most people remember the story more under that name (I'm just spit balling on that one)
- Users are less likely to confuse Battle for Metropolis with Battle of Metropolis from Infinite Crisis.
I don't think we need to worry about changing the name of the Nav template though. The pages are almost all done, and its not like the template is going to be used anywhere else. The only thing we would need to alter is the title display from Battle to Fall. I also don't think we need to worry about changing any of the Image categories either. Those seem find the way they are.
What do ya think? --Brian Kurtz 19:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sounds fine to me. I approve. As for the ending, I know that Metropolis is still broked during both Worlds Collide and Zero Hour. However, this issue looks promising as to a conclusion.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:08, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
- Off the top of my head, is that the issue where Zatanna rebuilds Metropolis using Perry White as a focus? I always liked that issue. --Brian Kurtz 21:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea. Sorry.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:19, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Annuals and Comic Lists
Are you aware of any guideline or discussion about how to deal with Annuals and Comic Lists? I can't find anything. There are two formats currently in use; 1) treating them as part of the series that spawned them, as All-Star Squadron Annual Vol 1 3 or your own L.E.G.I.O.N. Annual Vol 1 2 does, and 2) treating them as a separate title, the way Action Comics Annual Vol 1 or Adventures of Superman Annual Vol 1 are cofigured. I figured I might as well standardize them as part of upgrading and copyediting the Comic Lists... all 900+ of them... <shudder> The Paradox 23:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
- Nope. This is a pretty good example of one of those "elephants in the room" that have been festering around for awhile. I've done a lot of Annuals work, and despite early work to the contrary, I think it would probably be smarter to include them in the Title they belong to. Even for the bigger ones, like Batman Annual Vol 1. If other people think it's a good idea, I would be perfectly willing to personally go through all of the Annuals and fix the Titling myself.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- Nope. This is a pretty good example of one of those "elephants in the room" that have been festering around for awhile. I've done a lot of Annuals work, and despite early work to the contrary, I think it would probably be smarter to include them in the Title they belong to. Even for the bigger ones, like Batman Annual Vol 1. If other people think it's a good idea, I would be perfectly willing to personally go through all of the Annuals and fix the Titling myself.
- Oh, I say we just go ahead and do it. :) I don't really feel like dealing with another "we discussed that a year ago (but never wrote it up into guidelines or anything) - why don't you know about it?" thread on the forums. The Paradox 06:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Haha, sounds like a good idea. This reminds me, the MDP apparently autocategorizes Annuals all into one big category. We... should do that. I'll get on moving those Annual names once I cross a couple of checkpoints in my other current projects. Also, I remember awhile back you brought up the issue of denoting a character as possessed without revealing who they're possessed by. So I came up with this:
{{possessed|Foo}}
We could probably start using that for the Bounty Dawnstar problem... once I understand that. Anyway, good idea, that's gonna be a useful tool all over. (end massive ADD non-sequitur)
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 06:55, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- "The Bounty Dawnstar problem" - you mean Giffen's crappy rendering of one of comic's most beautiful and elegant women? That was always the biggest problem with Bounty/Dawnstar. The rest is a pretty straight-forward case of possession, except for the fact that nobody was bothered by her possession and mutilation!!
- I suggest we also merge the Annual cover galleries into their respective title gallery. I don't know how many there are, at least Action Comics and Adventures of Superman, which means others are probably out there. That allows the Comic List to still autolink to those images.
- Can you tell me more about this autocat of Annuals. Any idea which template does it? The Paradox 07:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
L.E.G.I.O.N. issue naming
One small suggestion for naming - use the year extention for the pagename so it accurate reflects the published name, but have Title = L.E.G.I.O.N. Vol 1 so they all cat together and the various autolinks work. The Paradox 03:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
- Same advice for R.E.B.E.L.S., for the same reason - the published name of the comic includes the year extension. The Paradox 05:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I wasn't thinking. I think that omitting them just makes things generally simpler and nicer looking. Normally I would join you in being a stickler on this one, but I feel like this is an acceptable compromise. We can pipe the links wherever applicable anyway.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I wasn't thinking. I think that omitting them just makes things generally simpler and nicer looking. Normally I would join you in being a stickler on this one, but I feel like this is an acceptable compromise. We can pipe the links wherever applicable anyway.
- "Simpler and nicer looking" versus accuracy and proper naming. Sorry, I'm still in favor of accuracy. I really don't think it's our place (or in the site's best interests) to compromise on the titles of published works. The Paradox 06:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
It's just suuuuch a pain in the ass, and it doesn't have to be at all. Normally, I would agree with you. For example, the Fury of Firestorm thing bugs me a lot. But... I don't think it's that big of a deal this tiny little number addendum, especially when they're not at regular intervals in the numbering, or even consistent (would we have to specifically name all of the Annuals which each have a different year, including the +10 years Armageddon 2001 L.E.G.I.O.N. '01 Annual?). I think that there's a very fine line between being accurate and being anal, and while I don't see any real benefit to adding those extra confusing digits to the title, and I don't think anybody would think any less of us for it, I can see a whole bunch of drawbacks. Brian, you want to jump in on this one?
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 06:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Blogs
I don't want to write the same thing to you guys, so check out User talk:The Paradox#Blogs. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 05:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Trouble out the Wazzo
- Re: LSH v4 Annual 1 - Somehow I just knew from your edit summary which story it was. Have you checked out the response at Talk:Enya Wazzo (New Earth)? That's part of this story too. The Paradox 18:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
- I did read it, it was extremely helpful. I still have some more back issues to find before I'm ready to competently write an article, though. And I've only just begun scratching the surface of L.E.G.I.O.N.. Thanks a lot.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
- I did read it, it was extremely helpful. I still have some more back issues to find before I'm ready to competently write an article, though. And I've only just begun scratching the surface of L.E.G.I.O.N.. Thanks a lot.
Ask a DCPedian
Billy - do you ever get the sense some of the people leaving questions never actually check back for an answer? Anyway, I added a little blurb about "remember to check back", then I thought maybe we could make the top of the page stand out more. How about this for a look: {{Roygbiv666Test}}
- I definitely get that feeling. It seems like the kind of thing I would do. It looks good, I approve. I just adjusted it a little bit, though.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:22, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
- I definitely get that feeling. It seems like the kind of thing I would do. It looks good, I approve. I just adjusted it a little bit, though.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Wanna stage a coup?
I think we would have a very good chance to take over, er, I mean "adopt" the Vertigo Wiki, which hasn't had a meaningful edit since July (and those were image uploads by Nate). After that, it should be a simple matter to get it merged here. Same for the Super Friends wiki, which has had only one editor for about the last year. Whatya say? The Paradox 04:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Oooh, I love this sort of thing! Yes, of course I'd be game. So... what, should one of us start talking to the administrators? Or do we just begin stealing content, burning templates, and blaming the Bourgeoisie?
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Oooh, I love this sort of thing! Yes, of course I'd be game. So... what, should one of us start talking to the administrators? Or do we just begin stealing content, burning templates, and blaming the Bourgeoisie?
- I was always partial to burning the Bourgeoisie and blaming the templates, actually. No, the downside to this is that we have to actually edit those wikis in a meaningful way (new pages, welcome users, etc.) for a couple of weeks, then petition for adoption. The process for adopting them can be found at W:Wiki adoption requests. And mind, I'm just guessing that two active admins would have the ability to request a merger from those to this - how well that will go over in the head office is anybody's guess. The Paradox 04:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Nice. Sounds good. I'll go dig up those Vertigo trades I've been dutifully ignoring for the past several months.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 04:45, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- Kewl. I'll start throwing Comic Lists at both sites, and whip up a couple of Portal pages for here. The Paradox 05:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
- I actually dug into the short-lived Vertigo wiki soon after it was created (and completely abandoned), that was until I learned that all of the Vertigo characters I know and love are featured here. I do think it's a bit confusing for fans of Fables and Y: The Last Man to be redirected here, but once the content is flushed out (which I'm sure it's getting there with you two on the case), I can see it being much better here. :) If you need my blessing (as I may or may not be an admin on Vertigo), you have it for that one. I can probably even make the recommendations to the Entertainment heads to get these two rolling sooner. Of course, I'm not sure how much weight I hold in this particular department, but your reasoning is sound. :)
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 06:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
- So in order to make a better case for the Super Friends merge, this site would have to pretty much already encompass all of the info listed over there (and maybe some extra), including Episode guides, DVD listings, and even merchandise. That's a large chunk of information that we're not exactly set up to cover just yet. If we get further down that road and begin to feel like we actually do provide more information than that one does, I think we can address this again.
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 16:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
So you guy are thinking of staging coup well all I can say is good luck. I would ask to join in but I'm already the head admin and incharge of 4 DC Comics solo hero sites of my own so I'm kind of busy. Oh and Billy on a random issue since you were so great last time on finding me some Green Arrow pictures that I need I was wondering if you could find one on currupt Star City Police Commissioner Brian Nudocerdo if so that would be great. Oh and once again good luck to you guys with the coup let me know how it goes.
From Rod12
Thanks again Billy the picture is perfect just what I was look for. Well talk to you later.
From Rod12
Comic List template button
is now available, between the Image template and Race template buttons. The Paradox 03:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Next featured article
Would you care to do the honors on the next Featured Article? I think two weeks of Santa is enough - actually, two weeks is a good time frame in general. The Paradox 07:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
New Upload instructions
Please share your thoughts at MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext. The Paradox 21:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Doctor Polaris
Well i wish i could say it is finished but my last edit feels a bit confusing well i can't expect of you to edit it some more out of the blue but i am asking (maybe it is just to much text compared to the rest) or i just need to explain more or less...
if you wish you can cut away the beetle image it was just for fun But i expect he will surface up some more in other comics
to bad that the blue beetle is about to be cancelled he would make a nice green goblin to the dc spiderman
any hints for writing further files? thanks in advance --Ouroborosi 00:37, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Bruce Wayne (New Earth)
"... him whom I shall ever regard as the best and the wisest man whom I have ever known." - Watson on Holmes
seems appropriate. Roygbiv666 03:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Fanart
Hi. I have a question about the fanart galleries. What exactly do you do to get stuff on there? And: Can it be a user's fanart, or do you have to get it from other fanart sites?
DCaddict 20:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)DCaddict
- Our fan art system is pretty lax. If you made some fanart that you want to upload, then go for it. Just upload it in the appropriate gallery. However, I would say that moving fanart from other sites probably isn't the best idea, if you don't have permission from the artists.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Our fan art system is pretty lax. If you made some fanart that you want to upload, then go for it. Just upload it in the appropriate gallery. However, I would say that moving fanart from other sites probably isn't the best idea, if you don't have permission from the artists.
Blackest Night Story Arc and Blackest Night Prophecy
Hey Billy I was wondering what are we going to do with Blackest Night page shouldn't the page be separated and have one page for the Story Arc and one page for The Prophecy because they are two different things. Plus the story Arc is coming this summer and all shouldn't the page be separted into two different pages. I was basically wondering what we were planing here on the site to do with the issue just curious. Well talk to you later Billy.
From Rod12
Reach Scarab
Always felt like doing this and thanks to Blue Beetle Vol 2 35 i can ^^'
but i have a bit of a problem with the lay out
some parts have to be more to the left and i have no idea how to redirect this file
as because it also has to link if people try to search
Reach Infiltrator and Reach Enforcer
thanks in advance --Ouroborosi 11:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Re: additions to the gallery section
How do we make additions to the gallery section now that clicking the edit button just says 'gallery category'? I want to add the missing Adventure Comics covers to complete the title and I need to make an addition for 301-503 because I can't get more than 300 covers to save into a single article.
Darkseid01 23:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Do you mean Gallery:Contents? We've been trying to phase out having pages that need to be updated every single time, when categories do the exact same thing. If you'll check out Category:Cover Art Gallery A, other extension pages you've made like Action Comics 201-400/Covers are being placed appropriately and accessibly, the only difference is that now you don't have to agonizingly add every single thing manually to the list of galleries. So, you can just go ahead and make the page, and the templating will take care of the rest. Was that helpful, or did I just completely misunderstand the problem?
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:59, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
- Do you mean Gallery:Contents? We've been trying to phase out having pages that need to be updated every single time, when categories do the exact same thing. If you'll check out Category:Cover Art Gallery A, other extension pages you've made like Action Comics 201-400/Covers are being placed appropriately and accessibly, the only difference is that now you don't have to agonizingly add every single thing manually to the list of galleries. So, you can just go ahead and make the page, and the templating will take care of the rest. Was that helpful, or did I just completely misunderstand the problem?
The way I added Action Comics 201-400/Covers etc., before Nathan made his change, I clicked on the Edit button and all the comic series under 'A' were listed and I just typed in Action Comics 201-400/Covers and saved. Now, when I click on the Edit button for the 'A' there is just a blank field with two words 'gallery category'. I cannot add anything to the gallery section anymore, I can only subtract by clicking a big series Edit button, cutting, then saving.
Re: justifier helmet
Thanks. Look at the bright side! Once all of the issue templates for Action and Detective are laid down, everything else will look smaller and more easily manageable by comparison!
I just got an email this morning from the Godfather of Comic Book Indexers, George Olshevsky. I'm having difficultly finding synopsis info on long runs for characters like Thor, Captain America, Iron Man etc. and was hoping to pry some of his stuff from him, but he says that it is not uploaded to the internet. His Amazing Spider-Man index, last published in the 80s, only goes up to issue 215. On the other hand, synopsis data for series like Avengers, X-men and Hulk are intact and I'm only missing 78 issues on FF. I would think that websites like hulklibrary and uncannyxmen.net must exist for characters like Spider-Man, Supes, and Bats, but so far, wikia is the best I've been able to find just googling around.
Darkseid01 11:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
color problem
And as a fan color is not fan art there is a chance it will be deleted. If that's the case i hope i hear from this so i can't make the same mistake again --Ouroborosi 16:18, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Announcement: New Parser
Something the good people at Wikia wanted us to be aware of: Switching to the new parser. FYI.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Images
I stumbled across this site. Looks like you can ownloa-day omics-cay. You need some kind of reader for it. Not that I would advise anyone to use this. Roygbiv666 01:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Broken Text Templates
You're exactly right. The <noinclude> tag inside the <!----> comments doesn't count, and isn't very good coding. I changed the three you pointed out like so, and it seemed to fix the problem. If you find more, I can fix them if you don't have time. Good catch! (Though I'm a bit surprised that code worked in the past. . .) :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 21:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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What do you think?
I made a page Christopher King (New Earth) that contains a bunch of minor character templates, because he's a dude who uses the H-Dial to turn into super-heroes. I made minor character articles for his various aliases, then stuck them in the main article noted above (similar to a disambig page). Lately, I haven't been able to get the main article to open - it just hangs, at home (and at work - heh heh). Anyway, do you think this is a Peteparker type thing he could help with, or would you be able to open it and delete the minor character things? I'd leave it on the article discussion page, but I can't open it.
I guess an alternate approach would be for me to tag the minor characters as "Category:Christopher King (New Earth) aliases" or something, but I think the minors in the major is the most elegant (if it worked, like it used to ). Roygbiv666 22:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
- And now, all of a sudden, I can open it. Nevermind ... or thanks!
- Roygbiv666 00:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I had no hand in this one. That's weird though, I wonder why it wasn't showing up. Probably just a part of the general wikia madness that's been going on for like the past month. The page looks fine, though, I wouldn't worry about it unless the amount of templates make it more difficult to save. H-Dial? We have a page for that now? Sweet, I can update those Lori Morning appearances I've been meaning to get to. I love when things resolve themselves without my effort.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, I had no hand in this one. That's weird though, I wonder why it wasn't showing up. Probably just a part of the general wikia madness that's been going on for like the past month. The page looks fine, though, I wouldn't worry about it unless the amount of templates make it more difficult to save. H-Dial? We have a page for that now? Sweet, I can update those Lori Morning appearances I've been meaning to get to. I love when things resolve themselves without my effort.
- We've been having a lot of problems with pages that had multiple minor pages on them over at Marvel. It led to removing the minors on a lot of them. I wonder, since you guys moved to the new parser already, if that solved the issue. Maybe we'll never know. . .
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 19:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for the welcome. I keep finding that I get to grips with one thing, but just open a can of worms at the same time... Yikes! But I think I'm getting the hang of things. singing.librarian@yahoo.co.uk 11:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
About Bloodwynd
yeah we might want to deleted most of that stuff about Bloodwynd and Jacob Whitney, I hate to admit, but I did miss read some information. Even experts make mistakes once in awhile.
Bloodwynd Correction
Okay, I took care of that Jacob thing, and found Bloodwynd's real name, its Freddy Widmer.
- What was the source for Bloodwynd's real name? I don't recall him ever being given one. Singing Librarian 08:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
In universe commercials
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"They're Boosterrific". |
just made these banners for fun..but is this okay? and if so is page better then user? --Ouroborosi 08:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- That looks cool, but I'm slightly confused. Those are like Userboxes? If so, then awesome, yes that's pretty funny.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 13:50, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yes there userboxes but function like does annoying pop ups you find sometimes onto of a web page. a little bit like humour for fictional products and i use them like this User:Ouroborosi have some more ideas for daily planet, wayne enterpise Star lab, lex corp, El diablo's (snackfood restraunt in blue beetle), choco's but i have to find ussable picture for does first. Who knows they could be combined into a random banner --Ouroborosi 18:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Images and Comic Book Vine
Yea Billy I do get alot of my images from Comic Book Vine its kind of my image store for Comic Book Book Images I'm sorry I didn't name the image properly so just as a remind when I upload for next time do you want me to name the image what its about like for excample Owlman and The New Outsiders Team for excample on which I should of titled the image before. Well from now on I'll make sure I do that method when I upload images from Comic Book Vine and Generally any other place. Well talk to you later and thanks again for the uploading tip. Oh I noticed you were working on Green Lantern and images I run the Green Lantern Wiki site if you need any help on Green Lantern let me know I'll help out were I can.
From Rod12
Update I just reloaded the same image again for The New Owlman which was the last image I uploaded and I renamed the image to Owlman and The New Outsiders Team so the old version of the same image I uploaded of Owlman earlier tonight can be deleted. I'll mark the image for deletion at well to help you out talk to you later.
From Rod12
Re: Legion
No problem. I'll work on something else.
Darkseid01 03:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Re: edits
Cool. I like the Legion (my 1st issue was 285!) and I think something is better than nothing at all and I was kind of disappointed to see that most of them are blank. I look forward to your contributions.
Darkseid01 03:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Re: Thanks
Thanks for the power suit. I appreciate the comment. I didn't know I was annoying other editors by setting down templates. I would have thought that people would have appreciated someone willing to do the tedious chore. It's not like I'm just creating junk. All of these are legitimate issues and will have to be represented at some point. It may not seem like much time to lay down a template, but for the big series, it adds up. It took me four hours to put down templates for Adventure. That's four hours someone else does not need to spend.
Darkseid01 13:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, did I give off that impression? There were some problems at first, when we weren't familiar with you, but everything is cool now. We used to get dumb people every once in awhile that would do what you do, but not do it well, and then not complete the job. But you're doing work that otherwise just really wouldn't get done, and it makes it easier for newcomers to the site to add information. Most of the time, the stuff you do is stuff that we would probably take ages to ever get around to, and we're grateful for that, because otherwise nobody else would do it. It just so happened that in this particular case, it was already getting handled.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, did I give off that impression? There were some problems at first, when we weren't familiar with you, but everything is cool now. We used to get dumb people every once in awhile that would do what you do, but not do it well, and then not complete the job. But you're doing work that otherwise just really wouldn't get done, and it makes it easier for newcomers to the site to add information. Most of the time, the stuff you do is stuff that we would probably take ages to ever get around to, and we're grateful for that, because otherwise nobody else would do it. It just so happened that in this particular case, it was already getting handled.
I kind of figured that. Although I did read Crisis on Infinite Earths, I've read very little of Post-Crisis DC. So I'm mostly interested in the Earth 1 stuff that no one else cares about.
Darkseid01 14:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Bots
Well, I use two different kinds of Robotic systems. One is written in python, and you have to type stuff in a command line to run it, and the other basically speeds up the process of editing manually.
The second one might help you perform moves 'manually'. It's called the AutoWikiBrowser, and it's a homegrown program created by users of Wikipedia. They're nice enough to make sure it works (mostly) with our wikis, and it's a great alternative to trying to open like 50 tabs and make the same correction on all of them. See what you make of the wikipedia page, and see if it's something that interests you. I think the instructions to install are easy to follow, but I did it a loooooong time ago, so feel free to ask for help if this is the route you choose. I think you'll find that it's a ridiculously handy tool.
We could always get you set up with the python robot instead, which is a little bit easier to use for page moving specifically, since I wrote the program to specifically do what we want.
So it's up to you. I certainly don't mind running the bot when you tell me to, I tend to forget to keep up this stuff for you guys, since you guys have gotten so independent lately! :)
Let me know what sounds good.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 03:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, and here's a problem report I have no idea how to fix. Maybe you know?
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 04:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
- Awesome! Welcome to the automated community! Now start practicing your Regular Expressions. . . They come in VERY handy. :)
- Congrats!
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 01:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Waverider?
Hey dude. I'm trying to get a handle on this Waverider stuff. Are they two different people? Matthew Ryder (New Earth)/Matthew Ryder (Armageddon 2001)? Should we have separate appearances categories for them? --Brian Kurtz 23:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- They're two separate characters, who often make simultaneous appearances. Matthew Ryder (Armageddon 2001) is the first Waverider, and he comes from an alternate timeline. After Armageddon 2001, he joined the Linear Men, where he worked with Matthew Ryder (New Earth), the version of him from the regular timeline who had never become Waverider. Matthew Ryder (Armageddon 2001) was killed in Zero Hour #2, and Matthew Ryder (New Earth) became the second Waverider in Zero Hour #1.
- So, they're two distinct characters who both appeared together in the Linear Men from like 1991-1994, but then everything after Zero Hour is Matthew Ryder (New Earth). They were both active at the same time, but they were never both Waverider at the same time. Here are some illustrations:
 Regular Matt Ryder talks about the differences between himself and Waverider |
 First Waverider dies in Zero Hour |
 Regular Matt Ryder is the new Waverider |
- It's confusing. Was that helpful?
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- It's confusing. Was that helpful?
- Extremely helpful. I thought that's what the deal was, but I wasn't completely sure. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 12:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Problem Report
Hey Billy,
There's a lingering problem report here on the site. Could you take a look? Special:ProblemReports/19826
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 05:43, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry it took me so long to get back to you on this, I just kind of dropped the ball on that one. Yeah, I just fixed the thing it was talking about... that was just a case of author misinterpretation; it was really just a problem of wording. I marked it as 'fixed' on the report.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 06:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry it took me so long to get back to you on this, I just kind of dropped the ball on that one. Yeah, I just fixed the thing it was talking about... that was just a case of author misinterpretation; it was really just a problem of wording. I marked it as 'fixed' on the report.
- It's cool, I forgot about it too, didn't even know it was the same one! :)
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 06:12, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Green Lantern Sciencell on Oa
Hey Billy I was wondering if you could help me out with a question I have about Green Lantern's Sciencell on Oa. My question is do you know or have a list of Current and Former Members of Prisioners of Sciencell on Oa? I was hoping you could help me out I know some people who been prisoners of Sciencell on Oa like Sinestro, Vice, Lyssa Drak, Evil Star, Igneous Man, Grayven, and Alexander Nero. However I was hoping for an official list of Current and Former Members of Prisioners of Sciencell on Oa. Also I was hoping if you knew a updated and full history on the location because I thought this information would help update a key Green Lantern page that is need to be updated. I would update it myself but I wanted to try to find official information but I didn't know were to look. Well talk to you later and I hope you can help me out with my question.
From Rod12
- Not a clue, sorry.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hey Billy with Green Lantern's Sciencell on Oa I just found a site with some information that might help with the updating of the page. If you want to take a look at the site the link is below. An I'll continue to look for more information on Green Lantern's Sciencell on Oa.
- From Rod12
Re: Legion
Hi Billy. It's been about a month since you asked me to leave off Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 2, which I did, but I haven't seen you add to it. I have some synopsis info for up to issue 325. Do you mind if I post that stuff?
Darkseid01 15:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I had the issue information on my laptop, but I haven't been able to use it lately. I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you. Go ahead, that's my bad.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I had the issue information on my laptop, but I haven't been able to use it lately. I'm sorry, I forgot to tell you. Go ahead, that's my bad.
About order of issues
Hello!
I think it makes sense - to sort list of issues in arcs and events not in alphabetical, but in reading order. Simple alphabetic list is not informative in my opinion.
What do you think about that?
Best regards, DaehrMorf 18:49, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- It makes perfect sense to do it that way... in an arc or a uniform story. In the case of Faces of Evil, they're pretty much all standalone issues that don't really connect to each other and don't have to be read in any order. As there's no continuous plotline, I think it's just easier to have them in alphabetical order for quicker reference.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- It makes perfect sense to do it that way... in an arc or a uniform story. In the case of Faces of Evil, they're pretty much all standalone issues that don't really connect to each other and don't have to be read in any order. As there's no continuous plotline, I think it's just easier to have them in alphabetical order for quicker reference.
- Thanks for your opinion. I remember this for the future) - DaehrMorf 19:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Moveable images!!!!
Hey, I don't know if you noticed yet or not, but we can now MOVE images! Woo-Hoo!!! This will certainly help with trying to weed out some of these TERRIBLE image names that I see popping up all over the place; particularly files with such wonderful, awe-inspiring names like Image:85203-81029-kyle-rayner super.jpg. (WTF???)
--Brian Kurtz 14:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- I knew this day would come, but I... I promised myself I wouldn't cry. That's incredible, I have so many things I've been waiting to get to with this for months and months and months. We can finally trim down on all of the crappy comicvine image names, and streamline the cover galleries properly!
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- I knew this day would come, but I... I promised myself I wouldn't cry. That's incredible, I have so many things I've been waiting to get to with this for months and months and months. We can finally trim down on all of the crappy comicvine image names, and streamline the cover galleries properly!
LOL. I echo the tears of joy. --Brian Kurtz 16:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for the fix on the Abraham Arlington (New Earth) article. That was fast. IthinkIwannaLeiaWaddaUthink? 21:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- No problem, my pleasure. I like what you're doing with that whole family of characters.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
- No problem, my pleasure. I like what you're doing with that whole family of characters.
Vandar Adg (New Earth)
OK, check out the entry on Vandar Adg (New Earth) under the Notes section. I made little template for continutiy violations. Whadduyouthink? I didn't want a big, obnoxious block, but it needs to be prettied up though.
Oh, and click on the little Jonni DC picture and see what happens. Roygbiv666
- That's adorable. I'll start playing with it immediately.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
- If I weren't so lazy, I'd figure out a way for a word balloon to come out of Jonni's mouth with whatever is wrong with the page. Literally, "Jonni DC Says". Is there a way to superimpose text over an image?
- Roygbiv666 18:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
editing help
hey mrblonde, how did u turn my text into a better version? i remember it that is was like two or three lines in a little box that you had to scroll across to read and you improved, which i'm happy for. please help me with that part in editing.
- It's just this little formatting trick. If you indent a paragraph with a single space, it'll do that weird thing.. admittedly, I don't understand why. It's usually better to just use a double line break when starting a new paragraph for that reason. No problem though, feel free to ask me if you ever need editing help.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
- It's just this little formatting trick. If you indent a paragraph with a single space, it'll do that weird thing.. admittedly, I don't understand why. It's usually better to just use a double line break when starting a new paragraph for that reason. No problem though, feel free to ask me if you ever need editing help.
Hannah&Rachel
Hey, thanks for dropping the hammer on that vandal. I was getting ready to do it myself, but for some reason I couldn't access the db at that time. --Brian Kurtz 13:42, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
- No problem. In a sick way, I kind of enjoyed it.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Image file FYI
This is weird. Apparently we no longer need to include the "File" or "Image" prefix when inserting images onto gallery pages. Check out Las Vegas/Gallery for an example. Did you know about this? I didn't know about this. --Brian Kurtz 17:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hu-wahh? That makes my head explode, but... it's also going to be a big timesaver. Awesome. Fantastic. Thank you for bringing that to my attention, Brian.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- Plus, you can use images as links, like so
- Plus, you can use images as links, like so
re: friendless
Well I see that Nathan responded to your post on the forum. I miss my friends. :(
Darkseid01 03:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Guardians of The Universe and Scar Question
Hey Billy its Rod I was wondering if you can help me out on a big question I had its about the Rogue Guardian Scar and the Guardians of the Universe. Do you know if the Guardians of the Universe as a group or team have one spesific leader in there history or at least right now and if so in which comic book issue or issues does it say that this Guardian is the leader of the group or this Guardian was once the leader of the group? The reason being because I've been looking around and people seem to get the idea that Scar is the leader of the group. Even some new user added this to the Guardian of the Universe page on the site here and my Green Lantern wiki site as well did I ever tell you I had a Green Lantern Wiki site I know you know about my Green Arrow and The Flash sites and I think I also told you about my Martian Manhunter site as well but I also run a Green Lantern Wiki site well back to the question. My knowledge of Scar besides working as a double agent for the Black Lantern Corps and eventually very soon becoming the Black Lantern Corps New Guardian. Her current dealings with the Guardians of the Universe group is that she has alot of influence and input into many of the groups decisions on how to lead the Green Lantern Corps and other decisions in the Universe. An my knowledge of the Guardians of the Universe is that there is one single leader they all make a big decision or many decisions as group. Oh well talk to you later Billy and hope you can help me out.
From Rod12
Roygbiv666/Main Page
Hey, don't know if you've been interested or keeping up with some changes on the Marvel Database, but I made a little test page, with the assumption we should likely mirror what they're doing to improve our Google rank and such like. What do you think? Roygbiv666 21:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Roygbiv666/Main Page
Hey, don't know if you've been interested or keeping up with some changes on the Marvel Database, but I made a little test page, with the assumption we should likely mirror what they're doing to improve our Google rank and such like. What do you think? Roygbiv666 21:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
You might want to check out the ongoing forums discussion - improve our Google rank as well as the stats generated for our site here. Kinda sad, right? As always, I say let the Marvelites be the guineas pigs (since they seem to have more admins too) and we can modify as required. The main thing is likely going to be figuring out how to rename character pages with the minimum amount of fuss and maximum amount of 'bots.
- Roygbiv666 21:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
which stats are you refering to, the amounts i put in are reasonable compared to the figure people put in , someone keep schanging superman strength to 100,000 tons easily , 100 tons is more universal as marvel use taht classification and comparsion can be drawn easier
and btw hwo do i use ciations is it long :S
Hey Dude!
How'z it going, Billy?
I wanted to give you a heads up about what I'm doing over here. . .
Basically, we found a way to increase Google's page ranking of our main characters without having to title them differently than we already do.
What we do (as can be seen on Batman's page), is that we move the main page of the character to the more google-friendly title "Batman (Bruce Wayne)" in this case. Then, we use Javascript to override the title on that page back to what it was "Bruce Wayne (New Earth)", and redirect the redlinks for /Images, /Appearances and such so they point to the right title.
I did all this on Bruce Wayne (New Earth), so you can see what I'm talking about.
Let me know if you have questions! :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 02:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
How is it going Mrblonde267?
I forgot to leave my name I am batman-fan.
Kal-El (New Earth)
Great work on finishing those footnotes ... mmm .... hyper-links.
- Roygbiv666 01:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Re: Darkmark
He has an email link on his site if you wish to speak with him directly.
Darkseid01 16:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- Nah, it's cool, we trust you, we just fear the unknown.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Trust, but verify. ;P
Darkseid01 17:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Ayla Ranzz
Hey, Billy. I noticed your Ayla Ranzz template so I took the liberty of slapping it on the bottom of the three main (and currently only) Ayla Ranzz pages. Hope ya don't mind. Looks like it might have been some kind of disambig page experiment? Now that the distinguish tags are gone from character pages, this kind of stuff might end up being pretty useful. --Brian Kurtz 19:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Template_talk:Comic_List#Template_Format
What do you think of this? I honestly don't have the time/energy/patience to reverse engineer code to figure out how to do it myself, or I would. Any ideas on who might be up to the challenge?
00:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Re: what's up with 'uncredited'?
Hi Billy. Do you have any idea why when you type in the names of certain comics professionals such as John Calnan, Ramona Fradon, Milt Snappin, etc. and click save page they show up on the template as 'uncredited'?
Darkseid01 14:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, that's always bothered me too. I've never been able to understand it. Maybe Nathan would know? I'll ask him the next time I see him on the IRC.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Hush Page Problem
Hey Billy its Rod I was just on the Hush page and some user called Goldmember12 basically wiped the entire page blank only leaving a Batman Villian Template on the page I returned the page to normal but I didn't know if you want to do something about the User so I'm just letting you know about the problem. Well talk to you later oh and have a good break I heard you were off for a little while.
From Rod12
- Thanks for the heads-up and the revert. He seems to have left, but if it continues to be a problem, we'll step in with administrative action.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Death/Return Superman stuff
Wow. So it turns out, it actually wasn't difficult to nav this stuff at all. DCU Guide is a great resource for following those early 90's Superman issues. Here's the basic reading order for all three parts of this:
Death of Superman
Superman: Man of Steel #18 • Justice League America #69 • Superman Vol 2 #74 • Adventures of Superman #497 • Action Comics #684• Superman: Man of Steel #19 • Superman Vol 2 #75
Funeral for a Friend
Adventures of Superman #498 • Action Comics #685 • Superman: Man of Steel #20 • Superman Vol 2 #76 • Adventures of Superman #499 • Action Comics #686 • Superman: Man of Steel #21 • Superman Vol 2 #77
Reign of the Supermen
Adventures of Superman #500 • Action Comics #687 • Superman: Man of Steel #22 • Superman Vol 2 #78 • Adventures of Superman #501 • Action Comics #688 • Superman: Man of Steel #23 • Superman Vol 2 #79 • Adventures of Superman #502 • Action Comics #689 • Superman: Man of Steel #24 • Superman Vol 2 #80 • Adventures of Superman #503 • Action Comics #690 • Superman: Man of Steel #25 • Superman Vol 2 #81 • Adventures of Superman #504 • Action Comics #691 • Superman: Man of Steel #26 • Superman Vol 2 #82 • Adventures of Superman #505
Go nuts! --Brian Kurtz 13:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
- Excellent! I'll get on it.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Something to help with Blackest Night
I just left a post on Talk:War of Light that I think may help you very much. -- SFH 01:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- Freaking excellent, that's going to be a lot of help. Thanks for showing me that, man. I'm going to make really good use of it.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Freaking excellent, that's going to be a lot of help. Thanks for showing me that, man. I'm going to make really good use of it.
Awesome Pics!
Excellent pics of the old school Black Hand, very nice!!!
Lantern 1 21:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC) Lantern 1
- Thank you, I'm glad to hear you appreciated them. I had to look hard for those.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, I'm glad to hear you appreciated them. I had to look hard for those.
Legion of Super-Heroes
Hey Billy I was look at the upcoming comic DC will be releasing Wednesday July 22, and this should make your day Final Crisis: Legion of 3-Worlds #5 the final issue will at last arrive in Comic Book stores everywhere. It just took a decade or two but it got here. So I guess you can work on the Legion of Superhero pages you wanted work on finally. Oh and on a side note what did you think of the death of Hawkman and Hawkgirl in Blackest Night #1 after the reaction of wow didn't see that coming I thought to myself talk about the Black Lantern Corps recruitment process brutally murder a Superhero or Villian and you join the team werid moment and an odd way to look at I guess. Oh and just a question was the New Earth Cosmic Boy ever found? Do you know if there is a picture that can be anywhere of inside the Phantom Zone that is not from the media but from the Comcis because all I seem to ever find is Phantom Zone Prisioners and Phantom Zone Projecter. An did you here the news about DC Comics Movies more are on the way.
From Rod12
Hey Billy I know you wrote the summary of Blackest Night #1 and everyone has been talking about that excellent issue but I was wondering what you thought of Blackest Night: Tales of The Corps #1 I have not heared many people given there thoughts on the issue I was wondering what you thought of it. Oh and what did you think of the message above and with the Phantom Zone Image question I asked do you ever remember seeing a comic book image of the inside of the Phantom Zone that isn't from the media. Oh well talk to you later.
From Rod12
- What do you need it for? Here's one that shows the inside.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I was creating a Phantom Zone page on my new Superman Wiki Site and I was wondering if there is a new earth image of Inside the Phantom Zone because when ever I see a Image of inside the Phantom Zone it always comes from the Media. So I was wondering if there is one from the Comics. Oh and I wanted to let you know if you ever visited the Green Lantern Corps Message board site recently Green Lantern Artist Ethan Van Sciver was on the Message boards talking with fans and answering there questions. Oh well talk to you later Billy oh and on a funny note today a new User arrive on the site calling himself Superboy Prime and he is actually acting the part its kind of funny to watch.
From Rod12
Detective Comics Vol 1 33
Hey, I made a little template that's designed to Categorize a character's origin stories (see example above). So, if you use Template:Origin2 in a comic entry with a character's name, it categorizes that issue under "Character Name/Origin". Do you think that would be useful? The actual template needs some pretty-ing up, but seems to actually work.
04:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Legion of Super-Heroes
So Billy how did you enjoy the Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds Final Issue was it worth the Long Wait I heard it was excellent. So in the end did Geoff Johns, George Pérez and Scott Koblish deliver on a great story.
From Rod12
- It was freaking awesome. I was completely satisfied in every single way after I read it. I honestly fangasmed.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- It was freaking awesome. I was completely satisfied in every single way after I read it. I honestly fangasmed.
Fan Fiction
These fan fiction creations are a pain in the ass. Maybe we should put something on the Main Page?
18:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, we should. Most other wikis have something like that. A simple "we don't accept fan fiction here, that type of content is for the DC Fanon Wiki" would suffice.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Re: How do I add in DC titles now?
Hi Billy. I was going to put in the missing issues for DC special but I can't figure out how to do it. If I click edit at the top it just displays "comics category" and not an individual listing of issues like it used to do.
Darkseid01 01:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- When no main page exists but a category does, it takes your search terms right to the category. You weren't editing DC Special Vol 1 (which I have just created), you were editing Category:DC Special Vol 1.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 02:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Where did you create DC Special Vol 1, so I don't have to pester you again? And while I've got your attention, I'd like to repeat my question above, since I'm curious. Do you have any idea why people like Ramona Fradon, John Calnan and others show as "uncredited" when you click save page? I've seen John Calnan's name on other pages, so "uncredited" is not generated every single time. It seems weird to me and I thought perhaps it's a glitch in the system.
Darkseid01 02:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
cover of comics from personal collection
so it's ok to use comic cover from our own collection just as we show were not trying to infringe on anyones rights, just that we're using it as a tool to show people what the cover looks like ?
- Yeah, it's totally fine. All of that stuff is legal use. We're not making money off of it, we're supplying people with information. However, in the future, just so you know, there are plenty of other sites you can find that have cover scans already up, if you don't want to go through the hassle of uploading covers from your own collection. I recommend using the Grand Comic Book Database. They have cover collections that are to die for.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Stats
there are too many possible references, i.e lifting chunks of rock, islands, moving tanks would all require ability to lift more than 100 tons...
Happy Birthday
Hey Billy I just saw the headline on IRC Board Happy Birthday hope you have had a good Birthday Today. Oh well talk to you later. Oh on a side note I was wondering if you ever found the other comic book issue cover for Blackest Night: Superman the one were Earth-2 Superman is standing over Jonathan Kents Grave I've been trying to find one to add to this site and my Green Lantern Site but I can't seem to find one with out a Watermark Tage and I sadly don't know how to remove those annoying Tages oh well talk to you later and once again Happy Birthday.
From Rod
Hey Billy I was wondering if you had any luck finding that other comic book issue cover of Blackest Night: Superman the one were Earth-2 Superman is standing over Jonathan Kents Grave I've still have had no luck finding a image of that other cover of that issue except for images of it that have watermark tages or the image is small in size. Oh well talk to you later.
From Rod
Finally found the image took me a while but I got it had to enlist the help of Bart Allen but he was able to find it. I upload it on to the site I filled in the image requirements the best I could I would check to make sure I did it right but I think I did a ok job. Oh well talk to you later.
From Rod
Happy
Belated Birthday! :) Hope it was a fun one.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 14:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Main Page/Quick Links
The links were based on the top Google searches that could conceivably result in a hit on the DC Wiki. Check out the original discussion ... somewhere on the forums.
- 01:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, not random at all? I feel silly. I wasn't around for that discussion and they just seemed kind of all over the place. I'll have to look for it. I tried to up the number of quick links to things that would get people into browsing more quickly from the main page in general. Feel free to change my selection, I was just being bold. Know what would be an excellent place for this conversation? IRC.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
- It's one of the links in this. One of the post from ToughPigs provides a link to top Google searches and what conceivably reaches our site.
- 11:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Collaboration of The Week
Check out the "Collaboration of The Week" part of the main page here. Does this sound like something we could use?
- 20:18, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
Death to Casts!
Yay! I hated that old system. The Comic Template should be updated now, all you have to do is add "|Appearing1_1=" where the appearances get cut off so they are all categorized. You can also add 1_2 if it happens twice, but these are both only fixes for super long appearance listings for the first section of appearances. Hope that works for you guys over here. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 03:45, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks (re Alice's cat page)
Thank you :) I was wondering how to go about deleting that ;) I hope I named the Alice (Villain) (New Earth) page okay. I wasn't really sure, even after reading the doc, how you name something crazy like that. -- Ipstenu 14:21, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
- No problem at all. It does my heart good to see somebody handling a move properly, usually it's a much larger hassle. Actually, I would go so far as to say that Alice (Villain) (New Earth) would be fine just at Alice (New Earth). The old article there was under naming contention anyway. And you took care of pretty much all of the links to that page.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 14:45, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
- Makes sense to me! :) (I use to be fairly active on WikiPedia, and I run my own self-hosted Wiki so I'm disgustingly familiar with how the code works. Moves are pretty basic. Just don't ask me to make a template unless you send me a bribe first). -- Ipstenu 14:57, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 14:45, September 30, 2009 (UTC)
The Black Beetle Mess
Black Beetle (New Earth) Yes it is a mess in the comic
first he claimed he is a blue beetle from the future
first it was hinted he was Hector, Blue Beetle Cave (New Earth)
then he said he killed hector and is Jaime Reyes (New Earth) from the future
But this are his claims he still isn't unmasked (or maybe he is from an other universe)
should we leave it alone for now--Ouroborosi 09:24, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
Moves
Hey Billy,
I got most of them done, but I have to leave now. I'm not sure about needing to necessarily move the Creator's pages though.
On the Marvel side, we just fix the template to look for all their pseudonyms, including the ones without special characters. I think you were planning to move them just to have the page title be better for google, but I didn't want to go through the business of changing all the pages that link to those creators pages when you probably don't have to.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 23:12, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
- All finished up. I left the creators. Let me know what you want to do with those...
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 17:11, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Oliver Queen's Estate
Hey Billy I was wondering if you can help me out on a question I had about Oliver Queen's Estate I'm creating a page for it over on my Green Arrow site and I was wondering if you know were I could find some or if you could tell me anything or any type of information on Oliver Queen's Estate that would be help me create a good solid page over at my Green Arrow site because right now I have barely anything just a small amount oh well talk to you later.
From Rod12
DCU Guide
Hey Billy, I don't know if you reference this site or not but I saw this topic - http://tenzel.net/dcuguideboard/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1772. They are considering starting their own wiki. I thought maybe we could join forces but I thought I should go to an admin. Let me know what we can do. Kyle Kyletheobald 17:20, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
- You made an absolutely phenomenal call in bringing this to my attention. I've always thought of them as a fantastic site, and that's a great idea. Those people are awesome, and we have plenty more room in our family. I posted on the link that you sent me.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:28, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
- If you need any help in the discussion, Billy, as in the history or reasons for the ads on our site, feel free to hit me up. :)
- — Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 23:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Team Template Question
Heads up. ;)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 04:52, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
The Atom, Captain Atom, etc.
Glad to see you working on some of the same neglected pages I've been adding stuff to (rather sloppily, as I've only been on this site a few weeks). This is a pretty cool site and I'm glad it's around as a database for who worked on/appeared in each issue, even if there are a lot of issues which are missing some data.J'onn J'onzz 22:31, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for uploading Star Hunters covers, Mr. Blonde267 Goblyn4evil 07:04, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
Re:Hawkman
Hmm. I haven't read any of the Hawkworld stuff (or any Hawkman stuff after the '87 series with the Shadow War and all that, really, other than a few guest appearances). I'll trust you to have the links going to the right character since you seem to know more about the current continuity. I know that the Hawkman who appeared in those post-Crisis but pre-Hawkworld stories was the same Hawkman character from pre-Crisis, but I wasn't sure what he was considered to be in present DC continuity. I thought Katar Hol (New Earth) was who they were considered to be because that's what I saw him tagged as on JLI... 19 I think, as well as a couple others? I see there's a Katar Hol (New Earth) page as well as a Carter Hall (New Earth), are they different characters now as well as Fel Andar? Is Fel Andar the cover for both the golden and silver age Hawkmen? Even Power Girl's origins aren't this confusing, jeez... J'onn J'onzz 19:41, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
- It's possible we also have some mistakes lying around. It's very confusing. Check it. Carter Hall (New Earth) was the Golden Age Hawkman. Katar Hol (Earth-One) was the Silver Age Hawkman. Hawkworld created Katar Hol (New Earth), and that was set in the present instead of the past, so all past appearances of Katar Hol were retconned out. To replace his presence, Fel Andar was created and retroactively inserted into modern retellings of the Silver Age stories. Then Zero Hour combined both Katar and Carter into a single entity, fusing both their continuities. At times, I think about this too hard and it makes my brain cry. Damn Hawkgod hates us all.
- - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:40, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Doom Patrol
Hi, sorry it took a while. I haven't really had a chance to look at it, I haven't been around much lately. It's all in good hands, maybe I'll be back after work settles down a bit.
02:24, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
The Guardian (and the Newsboy Legion)
I saw you had a bit of trouble with this character on his discussion page too. He's just as confusing pre-Crisis as he is post-Crisis.
I'm attempting to input some character data on some old Superman Family issues I picked up yesterday with this guy in them. They're from '78 and '79 so... Earth-One timeframe... but they refer to events which I think happened on Earth-Two, involving the original Newsboy Legion and the original Guardian. This may be the only time pre-Crisis that anyone other than Kirby (it's just about Tom DeFalco's only DC work) attempted the Newsboy Legion, with the exception of a couple of stories in Jimmy Olsen published immediately after his run. I think Jack didn't know that Earth-One and Earth-Two were separate, and just assumed his work on the original Newsboy Legion was still in mainstream continuity.
Now this wouldn't be much of a problem because Crisis was supposed to fix up all this messy stuff, the Earths all merged and such... but these stories are I think out of continuity now, because they involved Superman and I believe most everything involving Superman from pre-Crisis is still out of continuity. I think Stern did a reboot on these characters in his Superman run, but I haven't read it yet so I'm not sure. I don't really know what to do with tagging these characters. The Guardian stories in All-Star Squadron link to his New Earth page, plus I don't believe there are Earth-One or Earth-Two pages for him. But the Newsboy Legion's first appearance has them all as Earth-One characters (although only one of them has a page on here)...
DAMN YOU DC AND YOUR CONFUSING CONTINUITY!J'onn J'onzz 01:38, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
