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Origin Template/Category

Hey, I made a little template that's designed to Categorize a character's origin stories (see Detective Comics Vol 1 33#Notes for an example of its use). So, if you use Template:Origin2 in a comic entry with a character's name, it categorizes that issue under "Character Name/Origin". Do you think that would be useful? The actual template needs some pretty-ing up, but seems to actually work. 04:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


DC Nation (Column) Vol 1 146

another one ... thanks for fixing all these up Roygbiv666 23:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Comic List template

Any idea why I can't get this to display the infobox and stuff? Do I need to enter individual issues? Roygbiv666 00:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Category:2007, March (Publication)

Check it out, it's messed up (as are a bunch of other template displays) Roygbiv666 03:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Comic Template

Uhh ... did I mess this up with my last edit? All the comics are showing up funny now ...

Roygbiv666 22:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Creator fields not visible?

Hey Nate,

Not sure if this is a template glitch or if only certain pages are being affected, but on some pages such as this, the creator fields are no longer visible? Any ideas? Thanks much!

Oh... and I know that the creator fields won't be visible if the creator pages haven't been made yet, but for some reason, they're still not showing up on this particular page, even after I created pages for the two creators. Weird. --Brian Kurtz 12:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Disregard. I think it was just some weird glitch with that particular page. I refreshed the page, and that seems to have done the trick. Thanks anyway! --Brian Kurtz 13:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Facebook icon

Hey Peteparker, whenever you get a chance, can you take a gander at the DC Database:News Template? The Facebook icon isn't showing up correctly. Not sure why. I pretty much just swiped the whole thing from MDP. Here's the link to the icon. If you can do this, I will reward you with pictures of coffee and donuts (once I figure out how that gift thingamajig works). Thanks!
--Brian Kurtz 12:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Button Icons

Hey Peteparker, those button icons are awesome! Oh... I tweaked the DC Staff template slightly because it said "Marvel" in places where it should have read "DC". The button icon however still says Marvel though.

Also... if there's room on the edit page, can we also get a button icon somewhere for small script. I actually use that code quite a bit and it would really come in handy rather than typing out <small></small> all the time. Thanks a lot! --Brian Kurtz 21:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice. I don't know about the little Earth icon with my stupidly named "Roygbiv666/ Earth Template" thing though. I just made it because I was too lazy to copy/paste for new "Earth-Number" entries. Suggestions on name change/move? Oh yeah, I agree on the small script too.

On a bigger note - how do you create these buttons? --Roygbiv666 22:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Image 'Subject' Fields

I don't foresee a problem with this, unless there is some autocategorization based on the subject field that won't be valid afterwards because some pagenames haven't been set up for the "new" name (ex. if the current subject is "Dogman (Earth-D)", it autocategorizes it to "Category:Dogman (Earth-D)/Images", then you 'correct' it to "Bob Pup (Earth-D)" and there isn't a "Category:Bob Pup (Earth-D)"). Roygbiv666 12:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Pete - I started a page for bot discussions/suggestions/etc. here. I know we should probably use the Forums, but I rarely check them. Roygbiv666 12:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Image Tag

I made a little template to stick in Image Templates, called Template:FairJust. What do you think - does it make sense in terms of usage and that sort of thing? I used it in Image:Power Boy 001.jpg.

Roygbiv666 04:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

"Bad" titles?

Is there a way to delete these "Bad" titles? Specifically dcdatabase:Spoilers and marveldatabase:Plagiarism. This would be awesomely appreciated. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 00:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Main Page design

Hey Nate,

Gotta say, I'm liking the new "Main Page" layout. Takes a second to get used to, but I think it looks pretty schweet! That being said, you think it might be a good idea to mebbe shift the Random Image section to the right? The only reason I say is because there's this looooooooong blank space beneath the News section. If not, certainly no biggie. Also, is there still a chance of doing away with that weird plagiarism link on the uncategorized pages page? That thing just annoys me like a cankor. Oh... I answered your other comments on my talk page. Thanks again. Cheers! --Brian Kurtz 16:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Template Help

Any idea why this isn't working properly? When it's inserted into a page, it should show up and categorize the page as part of the storyline. It looks like the template is set up correctly (see Template:MX for a similar idea), but when you insert it into the page, you just get a link to the template, not the nifty thing you should see.

Roygbiv666 19:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Bot Problems

Hey, I noticed a couple of problems with the bot going around and fixing redirects on the individual pages. I think it's really cool, but... there are a bunch of special circumstances where it generates problems. For example, in issues of "Green Lantern: Evil's Might", an Elseworlds tale putting the Green Lanterns into 19th Century NYC ala Gangs of New York, I put down like "Kyle Rayner" under the appearing, but it actually slated "Kyle Rayner (New Earth)" as a cast member, and now we have it listed that Kyle Rayner died over a century before his own birth in conflict with Tammany Hall. And I put a link at the bottom to "Green Lantern: Evil's Might", which I plan on making into a storyline page, but it changed it to just linking back to the comic list where it's currently redirecting. It's a really cool program otherwise, but it... lacks a personal touch. Is there anyway we can improve this? If not, whatever whatever, it's not too much work to just go through and change where applicable.
This ties into that thing I was talking about earlier on the forums though. How do we list appearances of characters like these? I'm in favor of "Kyle Rayner (Alternate)" as a general page, with its own appearances category.

- Billy Arrowsmith, 21:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

DC Database:Location Template

I think one of the updates to this template may have changed/eliminated one of the "DC type" fields - i.e. "Sector", which refers to which Green Lantern space sector a location is a part of. See New Earth for an example. It used to auto-categorize the entry as part of "Secto 2814".

Roygbiv666 01:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
You might want to have a look at New Earth or Earth-2 - they don't look formatted properly anymore.
Roygbiv666 14:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Character Template

Does the template still have the "Theme" option, I don't see it on the template page. If it still exists, how do you create a theme?

Roygbiv666 13:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The Shield

Check out DC Reacquires Archie Characters - it's like a backhanded way to acquire a "Captain America" character of their own. Thanks for all your help on the Templates and what not!

Roygbiv666 04:07, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

DC Database:Column Template

If you get a chance, could you take a look at this template. I was trying to modify the Comic Template into a Column Template (for like editorial columns), started eliminating code, and I think I dropped a bracket or a div or something.

Roygbiv666 13:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Would you be able to change the Pubmonth/pubyear defaults? The column is actually dated with the publishing month (and week), it's not three months ahead like comics. I looked, but my head started hurting - thank God I'm good looking. Thanks.
Roygbiv666 01:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Character Original Publisher

Do you think there's any value/need for adding a field to the Character Template to identify the original publisher? Like All-American for Wonder Woman, Alan Scott; Quality Comics for Uncle Sam; and MLJ for the Shield; and so on. Of course, it would then auto-categorize as "Category:Quality Comics Characters" and so on.

Roygbiv666 00:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if you saw my response on my page. I think maybe DC has acquired about a dozen companies and a dozen characters each, so that's 144 characters. Is there a comparable situation on the Marvel side?
Roygbiv666 18:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Tranquility Vol 1 1

Hi. This is actually a trade paperback, not the first issue of the series...

Roygbiv666 03:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Character Template - Creator

Hey, any chance of getting the Character Template updated like the Marvel side to show the Creator of the character and have it autocategorize under "Category:So-and-so/Creator"?

Roygbiv666 18:17, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:Roygbiv666 Concept

SOrry to keep bugging you, but ... I'm stoopid. I was trying to modify the "Item Template" into a "Concept Template" (for using to describe concepts and terms, like Pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis, etc.), but I think I dropped a div somewhere. Basically, it should look the same as the Item Template, but I just deleted a bunch of stuff in the middle. ideas? thx

Roygbiv666 21:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Quotes Hiccup

I don't know if this is solvable... and if not, whatever, there's always good old-fashioned copy pasting.
So, I was looking at the Quotes Category for one of my old favorites, The Vigilante. And remembering some old quotes I had entered, I was curious as to why they weren't there. There's this neat little speech I wrote into the synopsis section of Vigilante #1, that doesn't show up. I think, because it's a category, that if you have two or more quotes on the same page, it only puts the first one into the category. Just thought I'd alert you.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 09:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Here's another one I thought I'd bring to your attention. Cassandra Cain (New Earth) has a quote from Robin and a quote from Batman on it. I was reading through Category:Bruce Wayne (New Earth)/Quotes, and I noticed that the Robin quote is actually being falsely attributed into there.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you maybe check this out?

Received a message from User:The Paradox at the bottom of my talk page. Figure this is more your territory than mine. Thanks! --Brian Kurtz 20:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Character template

I've been trying to put together a version of the Character Template that lists all the available parameters and whether or not they're optional. My results can be seen at User:The Paradox/Character template. If you wouldn't mind taking a look at it and adding any that I've missed I would appreciate it. I've also started a discussion at DC Database talk:Character Template#New features that may eventually need the attention of an admin. The Paradox 20:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, no talkback template. Anyway, since I prefer to keep discussions centrally located, I've replied on my talk page. The Paradox 00:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Reality v Universe

In the context of templates and categorization, what is the difference between Category:Realities and Category:Universes? They seem to be redundant, with all the Universe entries manually added, whereas the Realities are autocategorized ("autocat-ed") by the various Character, Location and Reality templates. Are there other conceptual or practical differences that I'm not seeing? If not, then perhaps they could/should be combined. The Paradox 18:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

(I've really got to get this template created...) The Paradox 20:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Mars survey

As one of the regular contributors around here, you may wish to weigh in on the renaming motion at Talk:Ma'aleca'andra. The Paradox 02:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

DC Database:Reality Template

Excellent update![1] While you're at it, perhaps you can figure out/explain to me/correct the tendency for references to be listed in the Notes section. At this point, I'm having to hack in a {{reflist}} under Links. See the last couple of edits to Earth-13 for an example of the difference. Obviously, I think the references should appear at the end of the page, since a lot of the citations I'm adding are in the Trivia section. The Paradox 23:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

(and thanks for the talkback template as well)

DC Database:Team Template

When you get a chance, could you look at the Creators, First, Last and Links fields? They aren't behaving the way I expect them to. The Creators is showing only the first entry, First and Last aren't linking to the issue, and the Links are showing up twice. Take a look at Justice Experience to see what I mean. It's one of the protected templates, so it requires the hand of an admin. The Paradox 10:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Show vs. Hide

It's really nifty that we have that Show/Hide option in like the minor character templates and the crossover templates, but is there anyway we can choose to have it show automatically instead of hide automatically? Because, like with the minor characters, it would be nice to see them immediately when you're on the page. It doesn't seem to always happen, but it auto-hides them a lot. And there are some situations with the crossover template, for example in Template:Bloodlines RR where I would rather have it immediately showing, because I inserted it in the crossover stub (Template:Bloodlines). It's fine if you can't get back to me for awhile though, you have a lot on your plate already, and you've been doing a lot of fantastic and important things lately.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Falsely Moved Pages

So, there's this guy who, with the best interests at heart I'm sure, keeps on moving character pages to new things of his own free will and not moving any of the subpages. So, we have disasters lying around like Category:Roy Harper (New Earth)/Appearances and Category:Roy Harper Jr. (New Earth)/Appearances. I know that your bots are smart enough to move all of these pages by themselves, but I was actually wondering if you wouldn't mind moving a couple of these pages back? For example, Roy Harper never goes by Junior, as he was abandoned on a Navajo reservation and his father has never showed up in comics. Would you mind moving Roy Harper Jr. (New Earth) back to Roy Harper (New Earth)? (the punctuation on that one is false anyway, so it needs to be moved regardless). And Goodness (New Earth) should be put back at Granny Goodness (New Earth) as it's her full name, not a title.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 20:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

New Earth cat listings

Any objection to my restoring the Defaultsort on this article?[2] It allows for New Earth to be listed first, under 'E', in the list of alternate Earths in categories instead of off by itself under 'N' (e.g. Category:Realities vs Category:Characters). The Paradox 23:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Nope, sorry bout that, wasn't thinking. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 23:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Character Templates

Hey, thanks for fixing things up; you really earn the nickname "friendly neighbourhood admin." I think there's a minor typo, however, the Character Template; it looks like a colon is missing somewhere in the switching for the "AlienRace = " field. In the infobox, the Race is showing up as a redlink. (see Kal-El (New Earth) for example.) Thanks! The Paradox 02:45, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow, you've been busy today; I can't even track all the template updates you've made. I've been testing some of the Character ones on Alan Scott (New Earth) (he's good for that with his multiversal origins, one eye and dead first wife), and found a few formatting things that could be tweaked. Specifically, the Eye(s) and MaritalStatus2. I'm not sure if category redirects work like article ones do; if they in fact forward entries, then redirecting Cat:One Eyes to Cat:One Eye might be a quick and simple fix.
Next, I delve into the Reality Template!! The Paradox 19:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem. I've been slacking off on the DC side of things, so I'm trying to make up for it. You guys deserve just as much customization and usefullness out of the templates as Marvel gets. :)
I tried to explain how the new stuff works on the character template talk page, but testing like you were is probably the best way to learn it. check out the changes I made to Alan to see how I incorporated that information. I think he could be autocategorized under 'One Eye' if 'one eye' was in his unusual features section too. (I know left eye is in there, but not the specific phrase 'one eye', which I believe is the keyword).
I'm probably too far ahead on this side now, and need to get Marvel up to speed on these things. Though we don't often have the same quirkyness as you guys over there, since I haven't seen a character with two Universe origins yet. :)
Hope those changes work out better for ya.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 19:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's even worse than that. If I'm interpreting things correctly, we have three versions of Alan Scott (and most other E-Two characters); the Pre-COIE version that existed on E-Two, the New Earth version that incorporates much of the E-Two history, and the new Earth-2 one that is a direct continuation of the Pre-COIE Earth-Two version. How does one write up a history text for that? Oy. The Paradox 20:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's a lot of work, that's for sure. The real question is which version of each of those pretty much the same characters were in any specific comic? Who was in the first appearance?
If it were me, I'd separate them into three character pages, and refer to the other two on each. Whoever is the main character, probably the New Earth one, would have the full history, and I'd just make the other two minor characters, referring back to the New Earth History for theirs, up until the histories changed. Kinda like: "Alan of Earth-Two had much the same history as Alan of New Earth, up until ______, which is completely different because _______."
But I don't know if you guys give every character their own character page. That's how its pretty much always done on Marvel, which is why we have 10,000 characters. I'm sure DC would topple that easily if every little character got their own page, considering DC has about 20 years of lead on Marvel anyway. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 20:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's really difficult for me to think of Earth-Two characters as Minor given they were the originals and have over 45 years of publishing history before COIE. I've got some idea of how to handle it, but as you say it's a lot of work and I'm pretty much putting off for the moment while I deal with the minor realities and their populations. Vertigo and licensed properties are great for that. The Paradox 20:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
PS - Rather than listing each and every Vertigo reality as a Hypertime Reality, I'm thinking about just placing Category:Vertigo into Category:Realities and Category:Hypertime Realities. That's one of the reasons why there's suddenly a lot of subcats in Category:Vertigo, so it can double as storylines and reality cats. The Paradox 20:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Movie -> Film

Um, is everything being switched over to Film? 'Cause Movie seems to be used pretty consistently here, mixing the two will be confusing and there's a lot of articles and categories that this will impact. The Paradox 14:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Alternate Company Pages

Do we really have to actually delete those? Not all of the pages were finished, but they did have a purpose. Although in most scenarios people looking for information about other comics companies should be looking at the other Databases, I made those pages so that we could have a direct reference for whenever those companies interacted with DC. For example, the Dark Horse Comics page contained a list of all crossovers between Dark Horse and DC. Could we get those put back?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Era Changing Bot

Just a heads up, you should probably finetune that one. I caught it changing the Captain Comet page to say that he appeared shortly before the "Silver-Age Characters" instead of "Silver Age", which is in his notes and not the categories.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Teen Titans

Awhile back I made a disambiguation page for them, just so I would have an easier reference when looking for that shoddy TV show or for the comic lists. And you moved the main page over to Teen Titans (New Earth), but... now they're missing a gallery and any appearances. Could you just catch those things back up?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:33, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

History Section Needed

Could you update the other templates (Vehicle, Item, etc.) also? The bot removed tags from those types of articles as well. The Paradox 07:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Bedeviled by the Deities

I'm just about done merging the contents of Category:Deities into Category:Gods but there are five articles that just won't cooperate. I can't see anything that is causing these five to be categorized in Deities in the first place. HELP!! The Paradox 13:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Kewl, thanks. The Paradox 13:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I Owe Ya One

Thanks for your help, man. I appreciate it. Expect to see me tearin' up the forums this week.Vibe85 18:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Citation Template

I think there's some tweaking needed. Take a look at Birds of Prey (TV Series) for an example of a recurring problem. The Paradox 23:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Image upload page

Do you have the ability to customize the image upload page? I'm wondering about getting some more connection between the Image Template and the upload page interface; some additional drop down boxes, a fill in the blank field or two, that sort of thing. The Paradox 01:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

There are limited modifications that can be done, like changing the text above the input box, or which options you can put into the dropdown box. From what I've seen, there's nothing else that can be done to the page at the moment. I think the rest of the page is hardcoded into the software. I poked around a bit, and that's the extent of the changes I could find. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 04:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I'm gonna ponder this a bit... The Paradox 04:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Robots

<clears throat and points --> Category:Robot Characters...

The Paradox 06:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Continents v Countries

You do realize that continents are not countries, right? There is no nation known as Europe, or South America or Asia, so those really shouldn't be in Category:Characters by Nationality. Unless you plan on creating a Category:Characters by Continent, I'm not sure I see the point. The Paradox 07:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Category:Images/Comics

You might want to take a stroll through that category. The problem is, a lot of the categories are named using defunct naming conventions, so they won't actually show up on the pages. I would take care of it myself, but it seems like a lot of things have to be moved/deleted, and that's an administrator task.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 16:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I was hoping to avoid the big questions about images and categories for awhile, but since it's been raised...
Can somebody explain to me the relationship between Category: Comic Images by Volume, Category:Images/Titles, Template:Volume Images and Template:Title Images, just to start? I'd like to have Vol #/Images and /Covers categories auto-cat into the Volume category. I'm continually frustrated that there's no connection between the categories containing the comics and the ones containing the images. The Paradox 23:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Bot-created categories

Hi! Would you mind keeping your bot from creating sub-categories for characters, quotes and DC Staff? It's really not discriminating enough to determine when the source page needs to be changed, and once a category is created it's far too likely to get lost in the confusing maze that is the Subpage Zone.

Recent examples include Category:Tellus (Pre-Zero Hour)/Appearances and Category:Kid Psycho (Pre-Zero Hour)/Appearances (not their true names); Category:Black Pirate (Jon Valor)/Appearances, Category:Wendy (Hitman)/Appearances, Category:Pyscho-Pirate (James Highwater)/Appearances, Category:Scavenger (Peter Mortimer)/Appearances and Category:Rosie (Vertigo)/Appearances (bad naming conventions); Category:Timothy Ravenind (New Earth)/Appearances, Category:Matthew Rider (New Earth)/Appearances (misspelling of names); Category:Captain Atom (Earth-4)/Appearances, Category:Doctor Sivana (Earth-S)/Appearances (not their full names); Category:Costumed guest at Wallace West (New Earth)/Quotes (really, really bad quotes page name); Category:Allison Mack/Creator (she's an actress, not DC staff) and Category:Dillon Connolly/Creator (16 year old fan boy). Thanks! The Paradox 21:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Seven Soldiers of Victory Vol 2

I screwed up. I made a second page for this, where Seven Soldiers of Victory Vol 1 was made specifically for the trade paperbacks. It says an administrator has to move the page if I want to move it over another page, would you mind moving Seven Soldiers of Victory Vol 2 over Seven Soldiers of Victory Vol 1 for me?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 14:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussions

There's a discussion on my talk page about Earth-AD races and how to deal with locations that exist in more than one continuity. Feel free to join in. The Paradox 04:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

DC Database:Organization Template

Could we get this bad boy updated to the same standards as DC Database:Team Template? That would be nice, it gets used surprisingly often, but I feel like it sort of hasn't come up much lately.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I updated the first and last stuff, but I'm not 100% sure what else you'd like to see there. Got a list of things it's missing?
Speaking of the Team Template, there's something not-right with the Links and References section. Examples of the problem can be found at Inferior Five (duplication of text) and S.H.A.D.E. (random extra leading space creating a <pre>-type box).
Fixed this, but I'm pretty sure it was in the Organization template instead of the team one. Anyhow, now it's not in either.
Speaking of Links and References, can autodisplay options be grafted onto the Minor Character template? With the advent of the 52verse, references for the character inspirations/source material is a good thing. See Superman (Earth-31) for an example of it's necessity. Thanks! The Paradox 22:45, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
The references should be autoincluded now.
And all is right once again. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 03:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Template help

Hi Nate. Could you help me with some templates? I've been trying to put something together that would enable a collapsible list of characters for comic issue pages that contain a ridiculously long list of characters. See Infinite Crisis Vol 1 6 for a good example of characters-gone-wild. Unfortunately, I can't get it to display correctly within the comic template. The template boots everything down to the lower half of the page.

Any help you can provide would be awesome. There's certainly no rush on this, so please don't think of this as a priority matter. Here's the templates that I cobbled together...

THANKS! --Brian Kurtz 15:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Bloodlines

I barely understand wikia coding, but tables are completely foreign to me. I sort of copy-pasted another table from another page on this site, and just filled in the information differently, but I assume I did something wrong because it doesn't show up on the page. And then I hid my failure. Anyway, can you help me figure out the table in the notes section on the Bloodlines page that's in the code, but not showing up on the page?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:AppSection

Super-Nice!

Roygbiv666 22:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Umm, yeah. I started using the {{FeaturedCharacters| code in a bunch of comics (Crisis on Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis), but something's not right. Is it just that there are some entries with plain text and no *?
Roygbiv666 05:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Duplicate Templates?

Would you mind confirming my research? I think I've found a few templates that are intended to do the same thing, but with differing results. Said research can be found at User:The Paradox#Duplicate Templates?. (That entire section is still being compiled, but feel free to look it over.) If the results are confirmed, the use of a bot may be needed to integrate the categories. Personally I prefer the use of "issue" and "volume," but that can be discussed. The Paradox 08:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and do you know what DPL means? The Paradox 08:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Luckily, it's very easy to combine two templates and have both names still function. I'd feel bad for doing it, but for Issue, Title and Universe Images templates, we should just redirect them to their appropriate counterparts. That way, all the categorization will automatically change when the cache resets, and we won't have to change the text on all those pages. Basically, if you put in {{Issue Images}} or {{Comic Images}}, they'd both put the Comic Images stuff on the page, and categorize in Category:Comic Images by Issue. I'd do it right away, but I hate to remove other people's work just because I like mine better.  :)
tnav and thumbnav basically do the same things, but thumbnav is for situations where the Universe or Reality is not in the character's title, and needs to be specified. So it's justified that they both exist, at least for now.
DPL, or Dynamic Page Listing, is an external list making function that Wikia really doesn't like. Basically, using DPL to create a page uses 3-5 times more server resources than creating it by hand, and on pages with lots of views, it really slows the whole page down for everyone. And any slowness caused by this wiki affects not only this wiki by itself, but also any other wikis or wiki parts which use the same host server. So the use of it is highly discouraged by Wikia in general.
That being said, DPL has some very useful features that produce very desirable effects for us. The {{Quotes}} template is a good example. It uses dpl to go through all the pages listed in the quotes category and pull out the quote listed on that page, putting it into the right format. Being able to 'suck up' part of a template that is used on a page is immensely useful for us in many different ways. Pulling the year and month out is how we automatically show that stuff in the First and Last Issue parts of many templates. It is also very useful for finding specific groups of pages to work on. Check out my sandbox, for example. There, I've used DPL to create a list of characters who need their pages templated. (Which is a fun little project I'm working on). There is more information about dpl on it's main page, and wikia's dpl page.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 17:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. BTW, when I don't respond immediately it usually means I'm pondering the implications of the reply. As in this case.
I think the entire Issue v. Comic, Title v. Volume naming convention needs to be worked out (if it hasn't already), as well as the destination category name. Unless you can point me to a previously existing discussion, I'm going to start one on the Naming Conventions talk page. (Personally I prefer Issue and Volume, as they are more precisely descriptive; I'll explain why in the discussion.)
Is there a reason why {{Tnav}} couldn't or shouldn't be expanded to include the coding for a manually specified Reality designation? (Or, conversely, include a link to the images category in {{Thumbnav}}?) I can't think of a circumstance where we wouldn't want a link to the images category, so it seems silly for there to be a template that doesn't have it, but you may know of a reason.
Finally, would you mind if I copied portions of your talk page archives to relevant Template talk pages as "Closed Discussions"? I'm interested in seeing the discussion history of template evolution attached to those templates, and a lot of it happens here since you are the friendly neighborhood admin for template coding. The Paradox 20:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Page Moves

Hey, would you mind taking a quick stroll through Category:Move for me? I know your bot can move pages a lot easier than manually going through all of the appearances sections. Specifically, Damian Wayne (New Earth), René Jacques Brande (Pre-Zero Hour), Neh-Buh-Loh (New Earth), O.M.A.C. (Omni-Mind and Community) and Bob the Monitor (New Earth). The problem with our {{Move}} template is, it actually specifically instructs that the pages not be moved. I don't know why.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 18:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Nathan, if you're willing to unprotect the move templates and the To Be Moved category page for a few days, I've been wanting to update them in exactly the manner you mention on Billy's page and throw some better documentation onto them. The Paradox 04:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
You got it, Paradox. Have at it. :) If you have any trouble, don't hesitate to ask.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 12:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Please offer your input at Category talk:Move. The Paradox 00:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Another page requiring move, because it's our featured article. Could your bot get to Santa Claus (New Earth)?
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Sith Cat

Thanks! :)Avenger 00:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Character Stubs

I understand why you're converting all of the character stubs to minor character templates, but would you mind not doing that anymore? The problem is, it isn't actually adding any information to the page, but it is removing the thing telling us that a page needs more information. Eventually, using the To-Do list on the main page which I'm going through right now, we will get to these articles, but in the meantime it's helpful to separate the articles with no information from the articles that just need history filled in. Also, by our own failings, we have a lot of pages with no information for characters that would be considered major. And it sort of gets confusing for newbies filling things in when they show up on a character page and want to add content but find themselves very restricted. Sorry, normally this would be a really good idea, and other people might disagree with me, it's just weird for me because I spend a lot of time on the To-Do list.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:22, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
That sounds excellent. You're a very pleasant person to work with, Nathan. I think I'm going to start going through What Links Here for the Character Stub instead of the Article Request category. I would be totally supportive of adding more information needed categories to the character template. I just want to avoid until then needlessly taking things off of our checklist. The qualifications for this sort of thing sound perfect for deliberation on the forums. Until then, I'll keep busy working on this problem from my end. Thanks.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 15:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:Test

Any chance I can convince you to show me where I missed it, as discussed on my talk page? The Paradox 18:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Auto-appearances

What's the limit on how many appearances a comic will automatically categorize? I noticed a problem with Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds #2, which has an amount of frustrating cameos bordering on the obscene, where it stops listing the character appearances about halfway through. I know there was some problems awhile back with how many Cast fields could be filled in in the COIE issues.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 19:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Bot questions

  1. Would it be possible to set your Bot to tag those articles listed at User:The Paradox/For Any Admin that don't already have {{Template Required}}?
  2. Can it be set to remove the text "Synopsis not yet written" from the Synopsis FIELDs of comics articles, if that is the only text in that FIELD? It's preventing those articles from being autocategorized into Category:Articles in need of summaries.
  3. You've expressed some desire for the Move catgory & articles to be better streamlined and automated. I'm wondering if creating a separate template specifically for the bot to look for would be the route to go, so there's no confusion about what's ready and what's still being discussed. It would seem to be a simple matter to have a {{MoveBot}} tag that replaces {{Move}} once a decision is reached, and for the Bot to only look for that tag. That way you could just launch the Bot once a week or so without having to double check articles. The Template itself could be a simple cut and paste of the regular Move template, since it's only purpose is to alert the Bot. And on that note, Ripley Hunter (New Earth) and Anti-Monitor (New Earth) are ready to be moved. :D
The Paradox 21:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, Matthew Ryder (New Earth). Sorry, that one's just been bugging me for awhile, and creating doubt in a whole number of my projects, including both Zero Hour and especially Armageddon 2001.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 21:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
And Balloon Buster (sorry, I was looking at Move discussions, not the category itself). The Paradox 22:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Couple of other move requests while you're at it. Matthew Ryder (New Earth) to Matthew Ryder (Armageddon 2001), Central City, Missouri to Central City, and could you clean up the Outsiders (New Earth) surrounding pages? That's a big team page, and it was moved, but its sub-pages weren't... including every single appearance. Actually, it would also be perfectly acceptable probably to just move it back where it was, as there's only one team that uses the name anyway. And that way not only would it make that page more accessible, but it would be less of a hassle to autocat appearances because they wouldn't need to be piped, and minor alternate universe problems wouldn't come up either. I'm asking this here though because it's been like that for awhile, and no matter what we decide on that page, there are probably appearances currently listed for both Outsiders and Outsiders (New Earth), as it gets confusing.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 01:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Wishing you well, from all of us on the DC side. And look, the Joker even baked you a cake!

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

More bot work

I've just confirmed that every article ready to moved has the tag at the top of the page and all the ones not ready don't. Also, were you still going to have the bot tag the articles at User:The Paradox/For Any Admin with {{Template Required}} ? The Paradox 04:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool, the Bot is going right now. What if the pages on your page have a template? The first one does. Should it skip those?
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 04:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, yes. I should specified "those that don't already have the {{Template Required}} template." :D The Paradox 04:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Whew. That should keep us busy for a while. Thanks. The Paradox 05:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Yea, I think it was about 883 or so. God speed!
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 05:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Quality Assessment

Announcing the brand-new Quality Assessment project page! It only covers comic issues at the moment, but look on it as an opportunity for rapid growth. Courtesy of Brian Kurtz. The Paradox 13:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:Comic List

When you have a minute, would you look at {{Comic List}} and try to figure out why the letter sort isn't working? Justice League of America (Volume 2) is a good example (and the one I've just upgraded with the new Infobox, BTW). The Paradox 02:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:Title Category

I really, really look forward to reading what this is intended to do/replace/supplement. The implications are impressive. The Paradox 23:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Merges

Can your bot handle any aspect of merging articles, especially the appearances? I'd like to see the Earth-One and Earth-Two Wonder Woman's Invisible Jet articles combined (and a couple of Legion Cruiser articles) but would like to avoid the basic gruntwork if possible. Oh, and on Comics pages, can it change Related Articles links to Appearance and Quotes pages to the equivalent categories? Phasing those pages out, ya know... The Paradox 03:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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Blog Feature

I've tried leaving a response to your blog entry, but keep getting "Comment could not be saved". Any ideas? Roygbiv666 23:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

You can't edit the article itself. You have to use the comments feature at the bottom of the page.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 23:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
That's what I did. When I clicked on "Post Comment" I got the above error. I checked my preferences, but don't see any blog-type options. Maybe I'll try the old IT "log out, then log back in again" trick.
Roygbiv666 23:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I'll tell the Blog experts. Thanks for letting me know. I don't personally know what the problem is, but I'll make sure the techs are aware. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 18:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
The more annoying thing is I can't seem to reply to your blog on Batman. So here it is: Batman is essentially a self-made man. Sure, he inherited the fortune (and, one could add, the genetics), but the rest was purely a result of his own ability to turn pain into motivation. He obsessively worked out, trained in martial arts, sciences, language, disguise, escapology, etc. He earned his abilities. It's not like he was just given glorified steroids and a magical shield or something. Or an eye-patch, Infinity Formula, top secret super spy agency. Ha! Seriously, since Batman is so famous, not all his press is good - maybe check out some actual comics from his Recommended Readings list.
Roygbiv666 17:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot Problems

Since the last time you ran your bot through, we've largely been very, very good about eliminating redirects except where necessary. Right now, the bot eliminating redirects is almost exclusively just causing problems. It's screwing up all of the redirects to categories and redirects to individual sections of pages. For example, every page containing a certain type of Kryptonite, which would formerly have been in, say, Category:Black Kryptonite/Appearances are now Kryptonite#Black Kryptonite, which autocats into Category:Kryptonite for various comic issues. Same with just about every locale. Also, it's switching things like Vampires to Category:Vampires, which removes the text from the article and improperly categorizes it. Can we stop this?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Consider it stopped. I'll work on fixing these errors and making a bot that does these things correctly. Thanks for keeping an eye out. Merry Christmas!
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 18:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and the reason those end up being that way is because the pages they refer to, (Black Kryptonite, Vampires), are redirects to those others, (Kryptonite#Black Kryptonite, Category:Vampires). You probably knew that, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. I'd like to have a smarter system to categorize the links in the appearances section, but the more complex the system, the more lag it introduces to those pages when it comes to saving and editing them. :)
And if you have any other fixes like those, I can fix them pretty easily, I just need to know what they are. . .

Other DC wikis

Any thoughts on the most recent thread on Billy's talk page? The Paradox 06:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Gallery template

I'm guessing you're somewhat familiar with the Gallery template. Is there a relatively easy way to get it to autocat into appropriately named categories, e.g. Category:Character Gallery A, similar to the way the Comic List is now doing for titles? I'd really like to see the need for hand-crafted Gallery lists go away, but I'm not at all familiar with the template. The Paradox 01:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Somewhat familiar is exactly right. I didn't invent it, that was CleverGuy, but I did add some conveniences to it to make it smaller and a bit more functional. I would think what you're proposing is definitely possible, and this is one of those little things that has bugged for me awhile too. How did you set up the Comic List template? Depending on the name of the gallery, and the type, we'd probably categorize the page appropriately, and then use category pages to 'surf' the galleries instead of the gallery list pages. The tough part is that at the moment, the hand-crafted gallery lists have images in them, and as we've seen from my comic list category test before, doing that is possible, but difficult. Otherwise, we'd be stuck with category lists like the Comic List pages are now. What do you think? With galleries, we'd also have to have separate kinds of categories for the separate types of galleries, like character, team, race, etc.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 06:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The Comic List template was an easy one; it already had #if and #explode functions in place for each letter based on the pagename, so I had to do was throw an autocat for that letter into the statement. I'm guessing there's a point somewhere in the the Gallery template where we can do the same, even if it takes a statement for each type, i.e. [[Category: Team Gallery {{#pos: {{PAGENAME}}|yada yada yada]]. I guess I was hoping you'd have some idea what that point would be. It hurts to see people still adding gallery listings to Character Gallery S or Cover Art Gallery Q, for example, when I know it's not necessary. Eventually a space for codename should be added, but that's for another time. The Paradox 06:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, it's all set, I'll work on setting up the new categories, (Character Gallery, Team Gallery, Fan Art Gallery, Cover Art Gallery, Fan Artist Gallery, Artist Gallery, DC Staff Gallery, Location Gallery, Event Gallery, Item Gallery, Race Gallery; all A-Z), and redirecting the old manual pages to their gallery counterparts. We should see them get populated in the next couple of days, and feel free to "pretty up" the Gallery Category pages with a header or something, like the Comic List categories. :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 17:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Wow, that's an impressive bit of work - thanks for getting those. Between the Comic List, Staff, Galleries and OneShot templates I think the site has just become more functional by an order of magnitude or three. :D The Paradox 22:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
You have checked out the OneShot and Staff templates recently, haven't you? The Paradox 22:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

New Upload instructions

Please share your thoughts at MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext. The Paradox 21:45, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

User Page

Is it possible to set up something for the first edit to a User page similar to the "Welcome" button on User talk pages? I'd like to give them the option of a User Page template and maybe a blurb about User boxes. The Paradox 01:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure it is. I used to throw the User Page Template on all the newbie's User pages, but then I could never tell who was new because their name wasn't red in the recent edits. There's a link on the welcome template that creates the user page with the right template on it when you click it, but no one ever seems to find it. I've also seen other wikis put a red Exclamation point next to new users in the recent edits somehow, but I couldn't find exactly how off the bat. Know anything about .css code writing?
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 02:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Not enough to be helpful here. Give me a couple of weeks... The Paradox 06:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Superman Merger

Nathan, we just merged the content of Kal-El (Post-Crisis) into Kal-El (New Earth). Can your bot handle the appearances, images and quotes? Because there are a lot of them. The gallery and the other redirects we can do ourselves. Normally we would try to handle something like this entirely by ourselves, but this was... I believe, the largest article on the site.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. So is the Kal-El (Post Crisis) page ready to be redirected to Kal-El (New Earth)? Having a redirect there could possibly make it easier on the bot. Also, all the images have been merged too? It looks like the Gallery is still put together, and the Fan Art Gallery too.
Well, it's a bit late now, but sweet! :)
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 02:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Other Parser(?) Problems

Here's another new problem I've spotted, presumably with the parser upgrade. Templates used for minor text conveniences, like {{DC Universe}} and {{Thomas and Martha Wayne}} and {{Jack Kirby's Fourth World}} are all malfunctioning like this: DC Universe Based on appearances alone, I would guess it has something to do with the... noincludes?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 17:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
A couple of other things that need upgrading. The second story is still having some issues in the Comic Template (see Justice League of America Vol 2 30). And I think it might be a problem in a couple of other places, but the Custom Field section is malfunctioning on at least the Rogues Gallery Template. Thanks a lot, by the way.
- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, {{Disambig}} is getting weird with the <center>s. Example, Johnny Quick.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 05:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Cool, here's what I found:
On Justice League of America Vol 2 30, the centers are showing up because that section is already centered, so it's like putting double center tags on the section. Removing them seemed to fix it.
The Comic Template was a bit more complex of a fix, but it should be all better now.
— Nathan (Peteparker) (Earth-1218) (talk • contribs • email) 20:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Parser thing

Batman: The Brave and the Bold: Journey to the Center of the Bat! Roygbiv666 00:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Moves

A bunch of things could use your moving bot, if you have the time. For example, Monitor (Earth-One) to Monitor (Pre-Crisis), although there are a couple of others. I hate having to bother you everytime I need things moved. Is there anyway I could figure out how to use the bot manually?

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Bots

See also: User talk:Mrblonde267#Bots

So, it took me awhile to get around to it, especially because I had to actually take the time to sit there and learn stuff, but I finally started trying out those bot tips you sent me. It's... great. I just put together my own bot, RoBotman, and I've already started kicking ass and taking names with it. I'm having it run through and take care of the "Comics:" namespace, but I'm still monitoring it semi-manually until I think I've gotten a feel for it. This is... it's just incredible. The only downside to using this thing is my increased paranoia that my technology will rise up and overthrow me, but I was going to have to deal with that at some point anyway. Anyway, thanks for the help.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 07:23, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Casts

We finally got rid of all of the cast lists, and individually took care of everything in the previously extensive Category:Comics with Casts. Meaning that the coding used for that feature is no longer needed in the Comic Template. I was hoping that now, we could take that out and maybe find a way to add more auto-appearances using the extra room? Because we've been having a problem with that, especially with our bigger more important issues. For example, Blackest Night #1 cuts out recognizing appearances not nearly far enough down the page.

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 03:31, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Moves

Would you mind handling a couple of big moves for us? Some of these are for the google rankings stuff, some of them are reveals, some are typos, some are for functionality in cases where accents are screwing up editors for autocats. I realize this might be kind of a chore, but these have been building up. Naturally, feel free to take your time, this isn't a huge priority. In the case of main articles that got bumped for disambigs, the disambigs are ones that I created while I was fooling around with templates when I was new here, and then they got accidentally implemented despite being crappy. Feel free to delete them, and then I can make better ones after we have our regular article placing back.

Sorry, I realize that's a lot of things to move. Really, whenever you have the time would be fine. I would ask Doug to do it, but he's off again. (and nobody is even mentioning the Legion of Super-Heroes problem. That's the big elephant in the room. Every single character in all three of those universes needs to be moved, it's a nightmare. But we'll figure that out later.)

- Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 22:06, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
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